Comments on: The Meaning of Droid http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/ Media, Tech & Business Models Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:09:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: bird houses for sale http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-15466 bird houses for sale Mon, 23 May 2011 22:34:44 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-15466 thank you for all this new and useful information, it will most certainly come in handy thank you for all this new and useful information, it will most certainly come in handy

]]> By: The Meaning of Droid | Monday Note » andrewsavikas.com http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-6129 The Meaning of Droid | Monday Note » andrewsavikas.com Fri, 03 Sep 2010 00:55:06 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-6129 [...] http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/ [...] [...] http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/ [...]

]]> By: fajar http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-4868 fajar Mon, 12 Jul 2010 02:15:29 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-4868 mantapsss mantapsss

]]> By: J Osborne http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-2470 J Osborne Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:14:26 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-2470 "google chose to use a Java VM model to allow for HW/CPU abstraction, which results in slow(er) apps" Well, sort of. The JVM model forces you to use a specific intermediate language at some point (JVM bytecodes), and forces the final device to take JVM bytecodes and "do something" with them. "Something" could be directly execute them, interpret them, just in time compile them, or compile them at install time into native executables. The model Apple has chosen doesn't force a specific intermediate language, but for all practical purposes there are really only two, the internal intermediate languages that gcc or llvm use. They then go on to generate ARM code that the CPU executes directly. The two models aren't as distinct as people tend to make them out. If the JVM bytecode is compiled at install time to a native format then there are similar results. The real issue is how "device independent" Apple's Cocoa and UIKit are vs. how "device independent" Android's equivalent layers are. Too much and it is hard to write specifically for a device. Too little and it is hard for the devices to change... and that isn't really dependent on ABI or language choice. (nor is how uniform the hardware actually is...can an app rely on touch being present? multiple fingers? how big is the display? what is the resolution? what is the aspect ratio? For Android all those things are questions. For iPhone/iPod Touch those are all constant. For iPhone/iPod Touch + iPad a few of those things become questions, but at least they are only questions with a limited set of answers; this makes a huge difference in how hard it is to make apps, and how well fitted those apps can be to the hardware) “google chose to use a Java VM model to allow for HW/CPU abstraction, which results in slow(er) apps”

Well, sort of. The JVM model forces you to use a specific intermediate language at some point (JVM bytecodes), and forces the final device to take JVM bytecodes and “do something” with them. “Something” could be directly execute them, interpret them, just in time compile them, or compile them at install time into native executables.

The model Apple has chosen doesn’t force a specific intermediate language, but for all practical purposes there are really only two, the internal intermediate languages that gcc or llvm use. They then go on to generate ARM code that the CPU executes directly.

The two models aren’t as distinct as people tend to make them out. If the JVM bytecode is compiled at install time to a native format then there are similar results.

The real issue is how “device independent” Apple’s Cocoa and UIKit are vs. how “device independent” Android’s equivalent layers are. Too much and it is hard to write specifically for a device. Too little and it is hard for the devices to change… and that isn’t really dependent on ABI or language choice.

(nor is how uniform the hardware actually is…can an app rely on touch being present? multiple fingers? how big is the display? what is the resolution? what is the aspect ratio? For Android all those things are questions. For iPhone/iPod Touch those are all constant. For iPhone/iPod Touch + iPad a few of those things become questions, but at least they are only questions with a limited set of answers; this makes a huge difference in how hard it is to make apps, and how well fitted those apps can be to the hardware)

]]> By: Who will buy Palm? | Monday Note http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-2330 Who will buy Palm? | Monday Note Sun, 21 Mar 2010 18:36:24 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-2330 [...] only to take a less advantageous deal later and too late. By then, everyone knew about the Pre’s tepid reception at Sprint, taking any leverage away from Palm in discussions with other [...] [...] only to take a less advantageous deal later and too late. By then, everyone knew about the Pre’s tepid reception at Sprint, taking any leverage away from Palm in discussions with other [...]

]]> By: The Apple Licensing Myth | Monday Note http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1947 The Apple Licensing Myth | Monday Note Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:46:35 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1947 [...] Apple could indeed end up “losing” the smartphone market to Android, just as it “loses” the PC market today, making more money than Dell and HP combined, they with a 33% market share and Apple with less than 10%. (More details in the November 1st, 2009 Monday Note.) [...] [...] Apple could indeed end up “losing” the smartphone market to Android, just as it “loses” the PC market today, making more money than Dell and HP combined, they with a 33% market share and Apple with less than 10%. (More details in the November 1st, 2009 Monday Note.) [...]

]]> By: Droid and Android | Monday Note http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1705 Droid and Android | Monday Note Sun, 15 Nov 2009 17:01:10 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1705 [...] there is ample evidence Apple puts profits before market share. As we saw two weeks ago, with less than 10% market share it makes twice as much money as HP and Dell who, combined, command [...] [...] there is ample evidence Apple puts profits before market share. As we saw two weeks ago, with less than 10% market share it makes twice as much money as HP and Dell who, combined, command [...]

]]> By: heeatseverything http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1695 heeatseverything Sat, 14 Nov 2009 03:32:15 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1695 Come on it's the 13th already. When are you going to "get one ASAP and report"? Come on it’s the 13th already. When are you going to “get one ASAP and report”?

]]> By: Elishia Windfohr http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1663 Elishia Windfohr Sun, 08 Nov 2009 10:46:16 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1663 We really do ned some good smartphones that actually work! tired of thm getting hot etc, I have hope for the blackberry though. great post though Elishia Windfohr We really do ned some good smartphones that actually work! tired of thm getting hot etc, I have hope for the blackberry though. great post though

Elishia Windfohr

]]> By: Jahangir Naina http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1638 Jahangir Naina Wed, 04 Nov 2009 04:59:44 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1638 I think a lot of folks discount the level of integration and polish needed to make a truly useable consumer targetted smartphones. Apple has UI finesse in their DNA and knows how to make the whole kit, giving their users "it just works" level of product purity. The Android model is similar to the WinMo model where the final integration is done by the OEM/ODM, carrier or some MVNO outfit. The end result being each iteration of an Android or WinMo phone has enough of a difference to fragment the all-important "platform". Give it time, the Android user base WILL get fragmented. Fragmentation along the lines of SW version (remember some earlier Android phones cannot be field updateable for firmware), custom UI shells/themes, customizations, etc. Second, the Android suffers from a bad design decision in that it only has 512MB for both the OS and apps to play. This WILL limit applications beyond only the simple. Third, google chose to use a Java VM model to allow for HW/CPU abstraction, which results in slow(er) apps. The iPhone will not suffer as much in terms of abstraction, and will be truly able to grow not just the userbase, but also the platform. I think a lot of folks discount the level of integration and polish needed to make a truly useable consumer targetted smartphones. Apple has UI finesse in their DNA and knows how to make the whole kit, giving their users “it just works” level of product purity. The Android model is similar to the WinMo model where the final integration is done by the OEM/ODM, carrier or some MVNO outfit. The end result being each iteration of an Android or WinMo phone has enough of a difference to fragment the all-important “platform”.

Give it time, the Android user base WILL get fragmented. Fragmentation along the lines of SW version (remember some earlier Android phones cannot be field updateable for firmware), custom UI shells/themes, customizations, etc. Second, the Android suffers from a bad design decision in that it only has 512MB for both the OS and apps to play. This WILL limit applications beyond only the simple. Third, google chose to use a Java VM model to allow for HW/CPU abstraction, which results in slow(er) apps. The iPhone will not suffer as much in terms of abstraction, and will be truly able to grow not just the userbase, but also the platform.

]]> By: Per Bothner http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1634 Per Bothner Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:42:55 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1634 This sentence seems rather questionable: "It is significantly harder to write applications for the Blackberry, it uses Java and, as a result, the applications have less “expressive powers” than with other operating systems". ' First, I'm not sure why you think using Java gives applications "less expressive powers". Secondly, you realize Android also uses Java? This sentence seems rather questionable: “It is significantly harder to write applications for the Blackberry, it uses Java and, as a result, the applications have less “expressive powers” than with other operating systems”. ‘ First, I’m not sure why you think using Java gives applications “less expressive powers”. Secondly, you realize Android also uses Java?

]]> By: srinio http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1630 srinio Tue, 03 Nov 2009 13:04:34 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1630 Hey thanks for this post, it has been very helpful to me. Thank you very much. Hey thanks for this post, it has been very helpful to me. Thank you very much.

]]> By: Google’s Disruption Leads to Commoditization | CloudAve http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1626 Google’s Disruption Leads to Commoditization | CloudAve Tue, 03 Nov 2009 01:11:29 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1626 [...] The Meaning of Droid (mondaynote.com) [...] [...] The Meaning of Droid (mondaynote.com) [...]

]]> By: tom b http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1624 tom b Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:21:06 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1624 Right now, the iPhone is priced to sell. I expect this will prevent Droid from stealing share. Also, in the US, Droid is tied to Verizon, a CDMA network, and a carrier more despised than ATT. Verizon always cripples their phones; they will do it with Droid, as well. I don't see a winning strategy for Droid, long term, because of the first point, economies of scale. Right now, the iPhone is priced to sell. I expect this will prevent Droid from stealing share. Also, in the US, Droid is tied to Verizon, a CDMA network, and a carrier more despised than ATT. Verizon always cripples their phones; they will do it with Droid, as well. I don’t see a winning strategy for Droid, long term, because of the first point, economies of scale.

]]> By: Verizon Droid http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1620 Verizon Droid Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:15:03 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1620 We think that the Droid will be a great device. <a href="http://verizon-droid.com" rel="nofollow">Verizon Droid</a> fansite We think that the Droid will be a great device.
Verizon Droid fansite

]]> By: Richard Howell http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1616 Richard Howell Mon, 02 Nov 2009 10:00:29 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1616 I think the "correct" last link should be: http://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-self-service-ads-are-ridiculously-easy-to-make-2009-10#go-to-facebookcomadvertising-1 I think the “correct” last link should be: http://www.businessinsider.com/facebooks-self-service-ads-are-ridiculously-easy-to-make-2009-10#go-to-facebookcomadvertising-1

]]> By: Youssef Rahoui http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1610 Youssef Rahoui Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:54:23 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1610 A brilliant overview, thanks. PS: the last link does not work. A brilliant overview, thanks.

PS: the last link does not work.

]]> By: Tim Coldwell http://www.mondaynote.com/2009/11/01/the-meaning-of-droid/#comment-1606 Tim Coldwell Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:55:56 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2196#comment-1606 Yet more disruption is the meaning of Droid. Google will give you ad splits on search if you [carrier] use it. That’s right; Google will pay you to use their mobile OS. http://abovethecrowd.com/2009/10/29/google-redefines-disruption-the-%E2%80%9Cless-than-free%E2%80%9D-business-model/ Yet more disruption is the meaning of Droid. Google will give you ad splits on search if you [carrier] use it. That’s right; Google will pay you to use their mobile OS.

http://abovethecrowd.com/2009/10/29/google-redefines-disruption-the-%E2%80%9Cless-than-free%E2%80%9D-business-model/

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