Comments on: Smartcameras in our future? http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/ Media, Tech & Business Models Tue, 21 May 2013 18:11:06 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: 앱 카메라 | KMUG http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-29130 앱 카메라 | KMUG Thu, 01 Nov 2012 10:28:04 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-29130 [...] 8월, 필자는 Smartcameras In Our Future?라는 글에서, 캐논 S90와 같은 멋진 컴팩트 카메라에서 돌아가는 스마트폰과 [...] [...] 8월, 필자는 Smartcameras In Our Future?라는 글에서, 캐논 S90와 같은 멋진 컴팩트 카메라에서 돌아가는 스마트폰과 [...]

]]> By: Compact cameras die in a flash thanks to smartphones | photoeditordownload.com http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-23848 Compact cameras die in a flash thanks to smartphones | photoeditordownload.com Tue, 20 Mar 2012 02:22:22 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-23848 [...] an August, 2010 Monday Note called Smartcameras in a future?, we hoped for smartphone-like apps using on a good compress camera such as Canon’s S90 (now [...] [...] an August, 2010 Monday Note called Smartcameras in a future?, we hoped for smartphone-like apps using on a good compress camera such as Canon’s S90 (now [...]

]]> By: App Cameras | Monday Note http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-23710 App Cameras | Monday Note Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:10:06 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-23710 [...] document.getElementById("fb-root").appendChild(e); }()); In an August, 2010 Monday Note titled Smartcameras In Our Future?, I wished for smartphone-like apps running on a nice compact camera such as Canon’s S90 (now [...] [...] document.getElementById("fb-root").appendChild(e); }()); In an August, 2010 Monday Note titled Smartcameras In Our Future?, I wished for smartphone-like apps running on a nice compact camera such as Canon’s S90 (now [...]

]]> By: Rich Tatum http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-8204 Rich Tatum Tue, 09 Nov 2010 17:20:10 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-8204 Callipygian? DS3? Really? I love me a dSLR, but I'm not sure I'd describe one as bootylicious. :) Rich <a href="http://tatumweb.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">BlogRodent</a> Callipygian? DS3? Really?

I love me a dSLR, but I’m not sure I’d describe one as bootylicious. :)

Rich
BlogRodent

]]> By: Republic Monetary http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-6081 Republic Monetary Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:17:05 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-6081 Rurik Bradbury is right - it's only a matter of time before a company is able to cheaply manufacture the technology needed to have it's own apps in every day life. If American industries don't catch up they're going to be sorely left behind. Rurik Bradbury is right – it’s only a matter of time before a company is able to cheaply manufacture the technology needed to have it’s own apps in every day life. If American industries don’t catch up they’re going to be sorely left behind.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-6033 Jeremy Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:20:26 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-6033 Like some of the other commentators, I also don't think compact point-n-shoot cameras have any sort of a future. Smart phones are quickly reaching functional parity for most users. However, I've thought for some time that the DSLR mfgs should make it possible for third parties to write apps on their cameras. For example: I know that Sony is trying to break into the Canon/Nikon dualopoly—adding an on-camera app option could be a way to get their foot in the door. Like some of the other commentators, I also don’t think compact point-n-shoot cameras have any sort of a future. Smart phones are quickly reaching functional parity for most users.

However, I’ve thought for some time that the DSLR mfgs should make it possible for third parties to write apps on their cameras. For example: I know that Sony is trying to break into the Canon/Nikon dualopoly—adding an on-camera app option could be a way to get their foot in the door.

]]> By: Dylan http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-5948 Dylan Wed, 04 Aug 2010 00:52:56 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-5948 Nokia N8 has a large sensor (only a few compacts have a bigger one) and a xenon flash. Plus room for apps. Nokia N8 has a large sensor (only a few compacts have a bigger one) and a xenon flash. Plus room for apps.

]]> By: TektonikShift http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-5870 TektonikShift Mon, 02 Aug 2010 23:54:50 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-5870 bwaje, Multi-sensor cameras can overcome many of limitations imposed by the camera-phones size constraints. For example, instead of one expensive 8MP sensor, use three 3MP sensors or four 2MP sensors. Similar concept at phase array radar or multi-core processors ..... many simple low cost sensors work better (and cheaper) than one high resolution expensive sensor. The larger pixels in 2MP capture more light than tiny pixels in leading edge 8MP BSI sensors. Also, you use a complement of 2 MP sensors: ex. One black-white 2MP sensor for best low light sensitivity, one 2MP high frame rate color sensor for HD video, and two commodity 2MP color sensors. Total is 8 MP of data coming to the image processor, but with superior sensitivity, dynamic range and depth information. Plus de-blurring using the motion information from the high speed sensor. Also, 2MP sensors have shallow focal depth, easy to fit in "thin" smartphones. Yes, some work remains on matching the right lens for such multi-sensor cameras, but camera module makes are busy solving this issue. -Tek bwaje,
Multi-sensor cameras can overcome many of limitations imposed by the camera-phones size constraints.
For example, instead of one expensive 8MP sensor, use three 3MP sensors or four 2MP sensors.
Similar concept at phase array radar or multi-core processors ….. many simple low cost sensors work better (and cheaper) than one high resolution expensive sensor.
The larger pixels in 2MP capture more light than tiny pixels in leading edge 8MP BSI sensors.
Also, you use a complement of 2 MP sensors: ex. One black-white 2MP sensor for best low light sensitivity, one 2MP high frame rate color sensor for HD video, and two commodity 2MP color sensors. Total is 8 MP of data coming to the image processor, but with superior sensitivity, dynamic range and depth information. Plus de-blurring using the motion information from the high speed sensor.
Also, 2MP sensors have shallow focal depth, easy to fit in “thin” smartphones.
Yes, some work remains on matching the right lens for such multi-sensor cameras, but camera module makes are busy solving this issue.

-Tek

]]> By: Rurik Bradbury http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-5843 Rurik Bradbury Mon, 02 Aug 2010 18:03:24 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-5843 I would like to run Foursquare on my dishwasher: 'In the kitchen' 'In the kitchen' 'In the...' But seriously, South Koreans already have internet-enabled appliances. With the current app paradigm, I'd imagine it would shake out so that each manufacturer makes its own app (LG, Whirlpool etc). I would like to run Foursquare on my dishwasher: ‘In the kitchen’ ‘In the kitchen’ ‘In the…’

But seriously, South Koreans already have internet-enabled appliances. With the current app paradigm, I’d imagine it would shake out so that each manufacturer makes its own app (LG, Whirlpool etc).

]]> By: bwaje http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-5842 bwaje Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:38:20 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-5842 You can improve everything : sensor, pixels, software, shaking or other gadgets, but if the lens keeps its micro size, you will still get crappy pictures… why 6X6 format was invented for ? You can improve everything : sensor, pixels, software, shaking or other gadgets, but if the lens keeps its micro size, you will still get crappy pictures… why 6X6 format was invented for ?

]]> By: TektonikShift http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-5841 TektonikShift Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:23:40 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-5841 I agree with DrDroid, innovation in smartphones cameras happening at faster pace than compacts. Low light sensitivity, dynamic range, motion compensation are big but not unsolvable challenges for smartphone cameras. Of course, compacts will also benefit from these innovations.... but the driver is the smartphone platform. -Tek I agree with DrDroid, innovation in smartphones cameras happening at faster pace than compacts.
Low light sensitivity, dynamic range, motion compensation are big but not unsolvable challenges for smartphone cameras. Of course, compacts will also benefit from these innovations…. but the driver is the smartphone platform.
-Tek

]]> By: Jean-Louis Gassée http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-5839 Jean-Louis Gassée Mon, 02 Aug 2010 17:11:07 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-5839 Yes, good enough is good enough -- as long as one defines the use, such as Facebook pictures, a huge world of pictures, 2 billion + uoloaded every day. But any improvement on smartphone sensors, image processors, lenses... also accrues to compact cameras. Try side by side comparison of a smartphone picture and a compact camera picture. Vibration reduction, zoom coverage, low-light performance, bits per pixel (light values range, contrast), all are much better on a good compact like the S90. Yes, good enough is good enough — as long as one defines the use, such as Facebook pictures, a huge world of pictures, 2 billion + uoloaded every day.
But any improvement on smartphone sensors, image processors, lenses… also accrues to compact cameras. Try side by side comparison of a smartphone picture and a compact camera picture. Vibration reduction, zoom coverage, low-light performance, bits per pixel (light values range, contrast), all are much better on a good compact like the S90.

]]> By: Cybronics http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-5838 Cybronics Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:41:31 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-5838 > What other consumer products could be enhanced by a lively market of downloadable apps? All of my consumer appliances, attached to my home network, should be enhanced by a "downloadable app market". That way I should be able to program them, make them execute some trivial (or not so trivial) tasks, regardless of who the manufacturer is or what function they provide. That's the "LifeWeb", a web of devices working together to improve my life. Maybe in a few years... > What other consumer products could be enhanced by a lively market of downloadable apps?

All of my consumer appliances, attached to my home network, should be enhanced by a “downloadable app market”. That way I should be able to program them, make them execute some trivial (or not so trivial) tasks, regardless of who the manufacturer is or what function they provide. That’s the “LifeWeb”, a web of devices working together to improve my life. Maybe in a few years…

]]> By: Rurik Bradbury http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-5834 Rurik Bradbury Mon, 02 Aug 2010 15:58:27 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-5834 @DrDroid -- yes, the smartphone cameras already pass the critical 'good enough' test for almost all consumers. The destination of pictures is Facebook, or some other screen, and a 5MP camera produces images far bigger than a 2500-pixel-wide monitor can display. That said, Android inside a high-end SLR might be a nice selling point. Android inside a Sony TV made Howard Stringer 'giddy with excitement'! @DrDroid — yes, the smartphone cameras already pass the critical ‘good enough’ test for almost all consumers. The destination of pictures is Facebook, or some other screen, and a 5MP camera produces images far bigger than a 2500-pixel-wide monitor can display.

That said, Android inside a high-end SLR might be a nice selling point. Android inside a Sony TV made Howard Stringer ‘giddy with excitement’!

]]> By: DrDroid http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-5808 DrDroid Mon, 02 Aug 2010 11:21:49 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-5808 I personally totally disagree with this article's thesis. The CE industry is evolving so rapidly, that within 3-5 years smartphone cameras are going to surpass current entry-level compact models, even with slate format size limitations. I guess smartphone industry is going to kill most of the consumer digital camera industry. As you said, "the better camera is the one you always carry" - phone will always win with compact camera in this matter. I personally totally disagree with this article’s thesis. The CE industry is evolving so rapidly, that within 3-5 years smartphone cameras are going to surpass current entry-level compact models, even with slate format size limitations. I guess smartphone industry is going to kill most of the consumer digital camera industry. As you said, “the better camera is the one you always carry” – phone will always win with compact camera in this matter.

]]> By: bwaje http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-5792 bwaje Mon, 02 Aug 2010 09:34:25 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-5792 Smartphones have bad lenses as well as lenses; it's a fact, but to publish on the web, it's sometimes enough quality. For example, Sony started a line of Cyber-shot capables phones in 2007 which are superior to some real cameras, you can print up to classic 10X15 picture with no harm. The merging has started and the smartphone makes it s way to the summit (i.e. the iMovie features of iPhone4) Smartphones have bad lenses as well as lenses; it’s a fact, but to publish on the web, it’s sometimes enough quality.
For example, Sony started a line of Cyber-shot capables phones in 2007 which are superior to some real cameras, you can print up to classic 10X15 picture with no harm.
The merging has started and the smartphone makes it s way to the summit (i.e. the iMovie features of iPhone4)

]]> By: TektonikShift http://www.mondaynote.com/2010/08/02/smartcameras-in-our-future/#comment-5759 TektonikShift Mon, 02 Aug 2010 06:19:22 +0000 http://www.mondaynote.com/?p=2993#comment-5759 Coding for Digic processor and downloadable Apps does not overcome the problem of small pixels. What you really want is capabilities of dSLRs (big pixels) with the benefits "thin is in" always with you smart-feature phones. The processors in leading edge smartphones have more than enough image processing power. The new OMAP, SnapDragon and similar chips from ST, and Broadcom are capable of HD video capture and 20Mega-pixel image capture. They also feature multiple MIPI interfaces. Multi-sensor camera's will overcome the limitations of cellphone camera's. If done right, dSLR like features w/o added cost or extra size. The first generation multi-sensor cameras for mobiles will be introduced in 2011. Companies with active multi-sensor camera projects include Qualcomm, Toshiba, Fujitsu, Nintendo and others. -Tek fyi - Argus Mircrosystems is doing work in this area... http://twitter.com/camera_tech info@argusmicrosystems.com (Limited info, they are currently stealth mode. ) Coding for Digic processor and downloadable Apps does not overcome the problem of small pixels.
What you really want is capabilities of dSLRs (big pixels) with the benefits “thin is in” always with you smart-feature phones.

The processors in leading edge smartphones have more than enough image processing power. The new OMAP, SnapDragon and similar chips from ST, and Broadcom are capable of HD video capture and 20Mega-pixel image capture. They also feature multiple MIPI interfaces.

Multi-sensor camera’s will overcome the limitations of cellphone camera’s. If done right, dSLR like features w/o added cost or extra size.
The first generation multi-sensor cameras for mobiles will be introduced in 2011.
Companies with active multi-sensor camera projects include Qualcomm, Toshiba, Fujitsu, Nintendo and others.

-Tek

fyi – Argus Mircrosystems is doing work in this area…
http://twitter.com/camera_tech
info@argusmicrosystems.com
(Limited info, they are currently stealth mode. )

]]>