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		<title>By: Mobile Lowdown 9-12-11: Google/Oracle, Apple/HTC Patents; Amazon; Adobe &#8212; paidContent</title>
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		<title>By: seetoo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks !! very useful article!</description>
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		<title>By: patent</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 14:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Walt French :
this story about a lone individual genius bringing a miraculous advance to the society thanks to the the patent system is just a joke. And sadly, always the same one to try rescuing the patent system.

Because the answer is pretty simple : how many examples of such scenario can you provide ? Or to be more specific, how many post-80&#039;s example is it possible to provide ?

The reality is simple and as bad as it can be : it never happens.
Protecting an invention with a patent is out of reach for an individual. Not only is it complex and expensive process (for an individual, not a corporation), the patent is also worthless if not used afterwards to sue competitors and collateral victims. So the real cost must include legal war support during many years.

Moreover, if it is a real invention, clearly described and useful, it will get circumvented, legally. Get a lawyer, he will find subtle language variations, which will make the invention non applicable to minor changes.

In fact, whether you want to create or avoid a patent, the most important step is always the same : get a lawyer, a good one, which knows how to &quot;cheat&quot; the system : over-extending claims, obscure wording which avoids describing the invention (so that its description is useless for humanity), and so on. That&#039;s why claims on &quot;obvious common little things&quot; are so much more valuable than complex and focused inventions. 
Where is the genius inventor in this process ? no where.

The reality is that there is no way for a lone inventor to get protected for its invention. At best, he will be able to sell its invention for a penny to a much more capable financial organisation. At worst, he will be left exhausted and penniless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Walt French :<br />
this story about a lone individual genius bringing a miraculous advance to the society thanks to the the patent system is just a joke. And sadly, always the same one to try rescuing the patent system.</p>
<p>Because the answer is pretty simple : how many examples of such scenario can you provide ? Or to be more specific, how many post-80&#8242;s example is it possible to provide ?</p>
<p>The reality is simple and as bad as it can be : it never happens.<br />
Protecting an invention with a patent is out of reach for an individual. Not only is it complex and expensive process (for an individual, not a corporation), the patent is also worthless if not used afterwards to sue competitors and collateral victims. So the real cost must include legal war support during many years.</p>
<p>Moreover, if it is a real invention, clearly described and useful, it will get circumvented, legally. Get a lawyer, he will find subtle language variations, which will make the invention non applicable to minor changes.</p>
<p>In fact, whether you want to create or avoid a patent, the most important step is always the same : get a lawyer, a good one, which knows how to &#8220;cheat&#8221; the system : over-extending claims, obscure wording which avoids describing the invention (so that its description is useless for humanity), and so on. That&#8217;s why claims on &#8220;obvious common little things&#8221; are so much more valuable than complex and focused inventions.<br />
Where is the genius inventor in this process ? no where.</p>
<p>The reality is that there is no way for a lone inventor to get protected for its invention. At best, he will be able to sell its invention for a penny to a much more capable financial organisation. At worst, he will be left exhausted and penniless.</p>
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		<title>By: Hamranhansenhansen</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/09/11/crazy-patent-wars/#comment-17771</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamranhansenhansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2011 12:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; The car industry has been rather healthy

The car industry is a joke. The internal combustion engine? It is a joke. You can&#039;t see it because you made a deal with the devil long ago so that you could drive without being crushed by the guilt of recognizing you are giving little girls asthma. So you overlook the tailpipe.

Everything in cars has been speeds and feeds. Incremental improvement.

If Apple comes out with a car that is carved out of a block of aluminum so it is very light and strong, and powered by hundreds of iPhone batteries for 250 km range, and with so few parts they sell profitably at $9999 for a sedan, then the existing car companies would never stop suing them.





This guy &quot;patents&quot; seems to be saying that Google invented the iPhone and Apple should be happy to get out of Google&#039;s way and let them keep innovating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The car industry has been rather healthy</p>
<p>The car industry is a joke. The internal combustion engine? It is a joke. You can&#8217;t see it because you made a deal with the devil long ago so that you could drive without being crushed by the guilt of recognizing you are giving little girls asthma. So you overlook the tailpipe.</p>
<p>Everything in cars has been speeds and feeds. Incremental improvement.</p>
<p>If Apple comes out with a car that is carved out of a block of aluminum so it is very light and strong, and powered by hundreds of iPhone batteries for 250 km range, and with so few parts they sell profitably at $9999 for a sedan, then the existing car companies would never stop suing them.</p>
<p>This guy &#8220;patents&#8221; seems to be saying that Google invented the iPhone and Apple should be happy to get out of Google&#8217;s way and let them keep innovating.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Peterson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Peterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Sep 2011 02:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kicking Away The Ladder Jobs.  Somehow true software pioneers were quite inventive prior to software patents.  Structured programming, object oriented programming, multiprocessing, mouse, GUI, etc., etc.  Wasn&#039;t Steve Jobs the very one who refused to pay royalties to Xerox for use of GUI concepts it pioneered?  Quite likely Apple would not have existed if software patents existed in, say, 1975.  They just made something a little nicer.

By law, patents are supposed to be original and unobvious.  The last patent officer to stick to those ideas despite politics and pressure was Thomas Jefferson.  Once a patent office becomes a government bureaucracy it is under pressure to grant monopolies unless there is a very good and obvious reason not to.  So we have the blinking cursor patent, the one click patent, and on and on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kicking Away The Ladder Jobs.  Somehow true software pioneers were quite inventive prior to software patents.  Structured programming, object oriented programming, multiprocessing, mouse, GUI, etc., etc.  Wasn&#8217;t Steve Jobs the very one who refused to pay royalties to Xerox for use of GUI concepts it pioneered?  Quite likely Apple would not have existed if software patents existed in, say, 1975.  They just made something a little nicer.</p>
<p>By law, patents are supposed to be original and unobvious.  The last patent officer to stick to those ideas despite politics and pressure was Thomas Jefferson.  Once a patent office becomes a government bureaucracy it is under pressure to grant monopolies unless there is a very good and obvious reason not to.  So we have the blinking cursor patent, the one click patent, and on and on.</p>
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		<title>By: sd</title>
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		<dc:creator>sd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2011 09:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the explanation and analysis of the actual situation. But I find the last part (&quot;Can we reform this? Should we? No&quot;) too short and not really convincing. 
France and Europe have no software patent, but instead intellectual property, and it seems better. So why not stop this ridiculous patent war by forbidding patent on software?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the explanation and analysis of the actual situation. But I find the last part (&#8220;Can we reform this? Should we? No&#8221;) too short and not really convincing.<br />
France and Europe have no software patent, but instead intellectual property, and it seems better. So why not stop this ridiculous patent war by forbidding patent on software?</p>
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		<title>By: Savorique</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/09/11/crazy-patent-wars/#comment-17662</link>
		<dc:creator>Savorique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The car industry has been rather healthy over the last half century yet I have never heard of such crazy patent wars. So why do the current patent mess in technology seems to me more like desperation than like the illustration of a healthy ecosystem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The car industry has been rather healthy over the last half century yet I have never heard of such crazy patent wars. So why do the current patent mess in technology seems to me more like desperation than like the illustration of a healthy ecosystem?</p>
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		<title>By: Canucker</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/09/11/crazy-patent-wars/#comment-17661</link>
		<dc:creator>Canucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2011 21:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire point about patents is that they are the most effective means to bring new ideas into the daylight. No one can hide patents. Once granted, they are published and searchable. There are transgressions as patent lawyers seek to broaden the scope (and therefore value) of ideas beyond what was initially intended/imagined and sometimes this leads to over-reaching patents that are brought to bear many years after their issuance to target devices that the original inventors had no idea might ever exist. However, that is the price to pay for reward of ideas. It might be improved by requiring true reduction to practice and imposing more defined limits, but the system generally works. We have to incentivize and reward ingenuity. The off-target effects are a pain but are not important in the grand scheme. What would be far more deleterious is secrecy and inability to form standards by collecting key patents together. 


I do think Apple is behaving a little differently from the other telephone device companies though. It is not interested in cross-licensing its fundamental UI patents ascribed to the touch interface and architecture of the iPhone (and iPad) as it believes these are key to product differentiation and represent the DNA of the company. That is the jewel the others wanted oct they realized the iPhone design and interface was such a game-changer and that is why Apple preferred to pay Nokia rather than cross-license. Apple isn&#039;t using its key patents as a means to leverage income from others. Apple is using those patents to protect its products. That won&#039;t be the case with the Nortel trove.  Those patents are the cards with which it will trade licenses for other foundational technologies with its competitors.


Think of it as high stakes Poker. New entrants are possible but the incumbents are, in effect, the house.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire point about patents is that they are the most effective means to bring new ideas into the daylight. No one can hide patents. Once granted, they are published and searchable. There are transgressions as patent lawyers seek to broaden the scope (and therefore value) of ideas beyond what was initially intended/imagined and sometimes this leads to over-reaching patents that are brought to bear many years after their issuance to target devices that the original inventors had no idea might ever exist. However, that is the price to pay for reward of ideas. It might be improved by requiring true reduction to practice and imposing more defined limits, but the system generally works. We have to incentivize and reward ingenuity. The off-target effects are a pain but are not important in the grand scheme. What would be far more deleterious is secrecy and inability to form standards by collecting key patents together. </p>
<p>I do think Apple is behaving a little differently from the other telephone device companies though. It is not interested in cross-licensing its fundamental UI patents ascribed to the touch interface and architecture of the iPhone (and iPad) as it believes these are key to product differentiation and represent the DNA of the company. That is the jewel the others wanted oct they realized the iPhone design and interface was such a game-changer and that is why Apple preferred to pay Nokia rather than cross-license. Apple isn&#8217;t using its key patents as a means to leverage income from others. Apple is using those patents to protect its products. That won&#8217;t be the case with the Nortel trove.  Those patents are the cards with which it will trade licenses for other foundational technologies with its competitors.</p>
<p>Think of it as high stakes Poker. New entrants are possible but the incumbents are, in effect, the house.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt French</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/09/11/crazy-patent-wars/#comment-17625</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 18:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chano, good points, all of them.
.
In theory, exactly all of your points about integrity of patents are addressed by various national patent organizations. That human beings fall short of these ideals, or that financial interests corrupt the process, hardly is cause to throw out either ideals or efforts to protect legitimate interests, as some claim.
.
Nor is it new. My first introduction to the issues around patents came when, as a budding electronics enthusiast (and subsequently, radio engineer), I read the history of one of radio&#039;s gods, Edwin Armstrong. His invention of the “idea” of FM and superhet radios — yes, he built actual implementations but like software the ideas were broad enough that multiple actual circuits were only sketched out — remain crucial, many decades later, to almost all wireless communication.
.
Wikipedia has a fairly comprehensive account of the importance of his work, as well as the tragic difficulties he, and eventually his wife, had; difficulties that I interpret as having kept him from doing MORE great work. In this case I think we can say that the *corruption* of the patent system was society&#039;s loss.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chano, good points, all of them.<br />
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In theory, exactly all of your points about integrity of patents are addressed by various national patent organizations. That human beings fall short of these ideals, or that financial interests corrupt the process, hardly is cause to throw out either ideals or efforts to protect legitimate interests, as some claim.<br />
.<br />
Nor is it new. My first introduction to the issues around patents came when, as a budding electronics enthusiast (and subsequently, radio engineer), I read the history of one of radio&#8217;s gods, Edwin Armstrong. His invention of the “idea” of FM and superhet radios — yes, he built actual implementations but like software the ideas were broad enough that multiple actual circuits were only sketched out — remain crucial, many decades later, to almost all wireless communication.<br />
.<br />
Wikipedia has a fairly comprehensive account of the importance of his work, as well as the tragic difficulties he, and eventually his wife, had; difficulties that I interpret as having kept him from doing MORE great work. In this case I think we can say that the *corruption* of the patent system was society&#8217;s loss.</p>
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		<title>By: chano</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/09/11/crazy-patent-wars/#comment-17622</link>
		<dc:creator>chano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 16:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I missing something here?
Patents can be given legitimacy by requiring that the property for which the application is being made actually is new (didn&#039;t already exist or already be in use);  exists in the real world (even if only as a working prototype); was invented by the applicant and that all of the foregoing be proven before a patent is granted. Dishonestly acquired patents must be capable of rapid suspension and/or voiding or vacating them.
There has to be more, I am sure, but there seems to be no equivalent of the idea of plagiarism or &#039;passing off&#039; for trying to control pre-existing ideas or practices known to be and evidently widespread.
@Walt French: I understand the need for patents, but in the USA especially, they have become a perverse joke driven by naked greed. These issues are as nothing compared to patenting the Human genome or the chemistry of exotic plant remedies discovered and used for thousands of years. 
Sad to say, but America is vying to become the centre of the world&#039;s corruption industry, it seems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I missing something here?<br />
Patents can be given legitimacy by requiring that the property for which the application is being made actually is new (didn&#8217;t already exist or already be in use);  exists in the real world (even if only as a working prototype); was invented by the applicant and that all of the foregoing be proven before a patent is granted. Dishonestly acquired patents must be capable of rapid suspension and/or voiding or vacating them.<br />
There has to be more, I am sure, but there seems to be no equivalent of the idea of plagiarism or &#8216;passing off&#8217; for trying to control pre-existing ideas or practices known to be and evidently widespread.<br />
@Walt French: I understand the need for patents, but in the USA especially, they have become a perverse joke driven by naked greed. These issues are as nothing compared to patenting the Human genome or the chemistry of exotic plant remedies discovered and used for thousands of years.<br />
Sad to say, but America is vying to become the centre of the world&#8217;s corruption industry, it seems.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt French</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 14:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@patent, I agree that the situation is far from ideal.
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But while you assert that it&#039;s not NECESSARY to invent anything to gain a patent, what setup do you propose to compensate those few individuals who actually DO invent things? Trade secrets?

Suppose I invent a new method of compressing music, resulting in obviously higher fidelity in files half the size. It might take me years of work to try dozens of variations on my original idea before it clicks. And nobody will use my work until it gets a broad base of acceptance from “content providers,” middlemen such as Amazon&#039;s store, and manufacturers of hardware or software players. I might have the talent, insight and perspicacity to create a dramatically better standard but I could not possibly reap any rewards from it without patent protection.
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Are you proposing that I should just donate my time to your, and others&#039; greater enjoyment of music? Are you willing to subsidize my invention work without any promise that I&#039;ll actually create something? Where&#039;s the meat in these claims that we&#039;ll all be better off without patents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@patent, I agree that the situation is far from ideal.<br />
.<br />
But while you assert that it&#8217;s not NECESSARY to invent anything to gain a patent, what setup do you propose to compensate those few individuals who actually DO invent things? Trade secrets?</p>
<p>Suppose I invent a new method of compressing music, resulting in obviously higher fidelity in files half the size. It might take me years of work to try dozens of variations on my original idea before it clicks. And nobody will use my work until it gets a broad base of acceptance from “content providers,” middlemen such as Amazon&#8217;s store, and manufacturers of hardware or software players. I might have the talent, insight and perspicacity to create a dramatically better standard but I could not possibly reap any rewards from it without patent protection.<br />
.<br />
Are you proposing that I should just donate my time to your, and others&#8217; greater enjoyment of music? Are you willing to subsidize my invention work without any promise that I&#8217;ll actually create something? Where&#8217;s the meat in these claims that we&#8217;ll all be better off without patents?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Birch</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/09/11/crazy-patent-wars/#comment-17610</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Birch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;ve been there before Jean-Louis. Now it&#039;s smartphones, but at the beginning it was steam engines. The evidence shows clearly that patents _slowed_ innovation.

http://blog.dgwbirch.com/?p=453</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;ve been there before Jean-Louis. Now it&#8217;s smartphones, but at the beginning it was steam engines. The evidence shows clearly that patents _slowed_ innovation.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.dgwbirch.com/?p=453" rel="nofollow">http://blog.dgwbirch.com/?p=453</a></p>
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		<title>By: patent</title>
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		<dc:creator>patent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 08:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s about the first time i do not agree with a JLG post. It seems you are so much an Apple&#039;s enthusiast now that it affects your perspicacity : since Apple is attacking everyone with patents, then it must be a good thing.

What really strikes me is this last sentence :
&quot;you forget how today’s giants toppled their elders : By imagining the unimaginable, patenting the unpatented.&quot;

This couldn&#039;t be worse. No, today&#039;s giant have not just &quot;patented the unpatented&quot;, they have envisioned and well executed a good product, invention or concept, which makes them an essential part of today&#039;s life.

This last sentence is so far away from one of yours :
&quot;you could invent a new process to temper steel that would result in taller, safer buildings. In patenting your idea, you’d earn a bit for yourself and encourage others to raise the bar.&quot;

Hell, this is exactly what has changed today : it&#039;s not necessary to invent anything, nor to make the world a better place with your invention : just patent the unpatented, if possible an obvious principle, described in an obscure language (and don&#039;t be shy if it is already daily used by the industry, the wording may distract reviewers and jurists). Do not disclose nor execute anything, hide the patent as long as necessary to make sure as many victims as possible can be blackmailed. And now, out of nowhere, attack the stupid working class which is busy trying to execute a complex invention with your corsairs ... sorry, lawyers. 

It&#039;s correct to say that a lot of money &quot;will always attract a number of parasites&quot;. Yes but that&#039;s no good reason to let the parasites overtake their host. In fact, any &quot;robust organism&quot; can only remain healthy as long as its defense system can successfully protect it from those parasites. Otherwise, it just dies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s about the first time i do not agree with a JLG post. It seems you are so much an Apple&#8217;s enthusiast now that it affects your perspicacity : since Apple is attacking everyone with patents, then it must be a good thing.</p>
<p>What really strikes me is this last sentence :<br />
&#8220;you forget how today’s giants toppled their elders : By imagining the unimaginable, patenting the unpatented.&#8221;</p>
<p>This couldn&#8217;t be worse. No, today&#8217;s giant have not just &#8220;patented the unpatented&#8221;, they have envisioned and well executed a good product, invention or concept, which makes them an essential part of today&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>This last sentence is so far away from one of yours :<br />
&#8220;you could invent a new process to temper steel that would result in taller, safer buildings. In patenting your idea, you’d earn a bit for yourself and encourage others to raise the bar.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hell, this is exactly what has changed today : it&#8217;s not necessary to invent anything, nor to make the world a better place with your invention : just patent the unpatented, if possible an obvious principle, described in an obscure language (and don&#8217;t be shy if it is already daily used by the industry, the wording may distract reviewers and jurists). Do not disclose nor execute anything, hide the patent as long as necessary to make sure as many victims as possible can be blackmailed. And now, out of nowhere, attack the stupid working class which is busy trying to execute a complex invention with your corsairs &#8230; sorry, lawyers. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s correct to say that a lot of money &#8220;will always attract a number of parasites&#8221;. Yes but that&#8217;s no good reason to let the parasites overtake their host. In fact, any &#8220;robust organism&#8221; can only remain healthy as long as its defense system can successfully protect it from those parasites. Otherwise, it just dies.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt French</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 02:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, after following your links, @J-LG, I note you didn&#039;t mention the Overture &#039;361 patent, without which Google would not be able to efficiently monetize its ads. In a nutshell — others are welcome to provide a more complete characterization — Google licensed work by others to auction off ads, and Google would not have had an efficient way of connecting advertisers with eyeballs had they not been able to come to terms with the Overture invention (which had been acquired by Yahoo!).
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Mr. Drummond inconveniently forgot to mention that they have, in the past, managed to be coerced into paying others for their work, and still profited handsomely from their own inventions.
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Yet another instance of Google making money thru the patent system that they were able to negotiate effectively. (Google&#039;s success owes mountains to “the best advice I ever got” and others&#039; contributions)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, after following your links, @J-LG, I note you didn&#8217;t mention the Overture &#8217;361 patent, without which Google would not be able to efficiently monetize its ads. In a nutshell — others are welcome to provide a more complete characterization — Google licensed work by others to auction off ads, and Google would not have had an efficient way of connecting advertisers with eyeballs had they not been able to come to terms with the Overture invention (which had been acquired by Yahoo!).<br />
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Mr. Drummond inconveniently forgot to mention that they have, in the past, managed to be coerced into paying others for their work, and still profited handsomely from their own inventions.<br />
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Yet another instance of Google making money thru the patent system that they were able to negotiate effectively. (Google&#8217;s success owes mountains to “the best advice I ever got” and others&#8217; contributions)</p>
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		<title>By: Walt French</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/09/11/crazy-patent-wars/#comment-17587</link>
		<dc:creator>Walt French</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2011 00:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“That’s a lot of phones, a lot of innovation, and a lot of money.”
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And that&#039;s pretty much the whole post, in a sentence. (Though “crocodile tears” bears repeating in some circles.)
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I&#039;ve yet to see anybody claim what wireless would look like without patent protection. Looks to me that GSM, LTE, CDMA and almost every other standard was developed under patent and would NOT have been created had not the Nortels, Nokias and others been able to anticipate fair and reasonable licensing fees for them. The stories of Nortel and Motorola make it blindingly obvious that there&#039;s no magic money tree that pays engineers, and the firms could well have collapsed long before doing their work, had not backers been able to anticipate future revenues from (or purchase of) the intellectual property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“That’s a lot of phones, a lot of innovation, and a lot of money.”<br />
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And that&#8217;s pretty much the whole post, in a sentence. (Though “crocodile tears” bears repeating in some circles.)<br />
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I&#8217;ve yet to see anybody claim what wireless would look like without patent protection. Looks to me that GSM, LTE, CDMA and almost every other standard was developed under patent and would NOT have been created had not the Nortels, Nokias and others been able to anticipate fair and reasonable licensing fees for them. The stories of Nortel and Motorola make it blindingly obvious that there&#8217;s no magic money tree that pays engineers, and the firms could well have collapsed long before doing their work, had not backers been able to anticipate future revenues from (or purchase of) the intellectual property.</p>
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		<title>By: Fafnir</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/09/11/crazy-patent-wars/#comment-17583</link>
		<dc:creator>Fafnir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Governments are extremely interested by this question because :
* it&#039;s where big money can be extracted in the painless way and at multiple levels.
* it can be a place to be more efficient and become more attractive.

By this reformette the USA are catching up and give their bureau the money to be strong. How will react the other countries for example China?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Governments are extremely interested by this question because :<br />
* it&#8217;s where big money can be extracted in the painless way and at multiple levels.<br />
* it can be a place to be more efficient and become more attractive.</p>
<p>By this reformette the USA are catching up and give their bureau the money to be strong. How will react the other countries for example China?</p>
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		<title>By: kleptco</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/09/11/crazy-patent-wars/#comment-17581</link>
		<dc:creator>kleptco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 20:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank Steve for Apple&#039;s immaculate inventions. May Android be swept away in an overwhelming flood of lawsuits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank Steve for Apple&#8217;s immaculate inventions. May Android be swept away in an overwhelming flood of lawsuits.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2011 19:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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