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	<title>Comments on: Behind RIM’s $485M Write-off</title>
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		<title>By: BlackBerry CEO: In 5 Years, We Won’t Have Need for Tablets Anymore &#124; MobileHeadlines.net</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/12/05/behind-rim%e2%80%99s-485m-write-off/#comment-42138</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackBerry CEO: In 5 Years, We Won’t Have Need for Tablets Anymore &#124; MobileHeadlines.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 15:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unless they can deliver something unique in a crowded market. The company took a $485 million write-off on the PlayBook in December of 2011, as sales of the hyped tablet were disappointing. Wall Street [...]</description>
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		<title>By: BlackBerry CEO: In 5 Years, We Won&#8217;t Have Need for Tablets Anymore &#124; iPhone in Canada Blog - Canada&#039;s #1 iPhone Resource</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackBerry CEO: In 5 Years, We Won&#8217;t Have Need for Tablets Anymore &#124; iPhone in Canada Blog - Canada&#039;s #1 iPhone Resource</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Apr 2013 20:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] unless they can deliver something unique in a crowded market. The company took a $485 million write-off on the PlayBook in December of 2011, as sales of the hyped tablet were disappointing. Wall Street [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Perry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 21:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If true, it seems RIM copied some of Nortel&#039;s old accounting &#039;tricks.&#039;

Probably same fate looms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If true, it seems RIM copied some of Nortel&#8217;s old accounting &#8216;tricks.&#8217;</p>
<p>Probably same fate looms.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheap Dr Dre Headphones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheap Dr Dre Headphones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2011 02:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good post,thank you share it,i like it very much</description>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 14:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did also notice that this number didn&#039;t fit inventory only. It must be something else as they literally say &quot;Related to PlayBook Inventory&quot;.

Related? It is due to inventory or not... but related means a lot of things beside some devices or components on shelves. Was it related to some new tablets in production (other formats?) that didn&#039;t make it through Christmas because completely &quot;has been&quot; or not compatible with what is coming next? Did the company faced major problems with the development of QNX and had to write-off some expenses related to that?

Not sure we&#039;ll get more details next week but for sure, this &quot;big&quot; number is hiding something else and this can be only bad news for RIM and its strategy.

Minus 73% in 12 months for the stock reflects strictly the success RIM had with its transformation... let&#039;s see if they can deliver more successful products before they spend the last 27%. Time and money is running out fast... too fast for this management I&#039;m afraid.

T</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did also notice that this number didn&#8217;t fit inventory only. It must be something else as they literally say &#8220;Related to PlayBook Inventory&#8221;.</p>
<p>Related? It is due to inventory or not&#8230; but related means a lot of things beside some devices or components on shelves. Was it related to some new tablets in production (other formats?) that didn&#8217;t make it through Christmas because completely &#8220;has been&#8221; or not compatible with what is coming next? Did the company faced major problems with the development of QNX and had to write-off some expenses related to that?</p>
<p>Not sure we&#8217;ll get more details next week but for sure, this &#8220;big&#8221; number is hiding something else and this can be only bad news for RIM and its strategy.</p>
<p>Minus 73% in 12 months for the stock reflects strictly the success RIM had with its transformation&#8230; let&#8217;s see if they can deliver more successful products before they spend the last 27%. Time and money is running out fast&#8230; too fast for this management I&#8217;m afraid.</p>
<p>T</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Weller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Weller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:06:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DRAM prices have plunged this year. Did they enter into a supply agreement that made them the owner of way too many parts (or even take delivery) and have to write that down? It&#039;s not uncommon for manufacturers to push inventory risk onto those who have contracts with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DRAM prices have plunged this year. Did they enter into a supply agreement that made them the owner of way too many parts (or even take delivery) and have to write that down? It&#8217;s not uncommon for manufacturers to push inventory risk onto those who have contracts with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Louis Gassée</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/12/05/behind-rim%e2%80%99s-485m-write-off/#comment-20491</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean-Louis Gassée</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 03:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Peter Reinert: Eloquent! And an interesting insight into possible &quot;leaks&quot; in RIM&#039;s IP assets. Come to think of it, they&#039;ve had to pay $612M to NPD for patent infringement http://j.mp/sswE1t
That was 2006.
In 2009, RIM settled with Visto for $267.5M http://j.mp/t763Em

(And Apple had to pay Nokia a rumored 800M€ plus royalties)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Peter Reinert: Eloquent! And an interesting insight into possible &#8220;leaks&#8221; in RIM&#8217;s IP assets. Come to think of it, they&#8217;ve had to pay $612M to NPD for patent infringement <a href="http://j.mp/sswE1t" rel="nofollow">http://j.mp/sswE1t</a><br />
That was 2006.<br />
In 2009, RIM settled with Visto for $267.5M <a href="http://j.mp/t763Em" rel="nofollow">http://j.mp/t763Em</a></p>
<p>(And Apple had to pay Nokia a rumored 800M€ plus royalties)</p>
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		<title>By: Vishi Gondi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vishi Gondi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 02:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry my dear fellows. Microsoft will pay top dollar for Black. (Using Android royalties)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry my dear fellows. Microsoft will pay top dollar for Black. (Using Android royalties)</p>
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		<title>By: Tess</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/12/05/behind-rim%e2%80%99s-485m-write-off/#comment-20483</link>
		<dc:creator>Tess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was traditional on Wall Street for companies to jam anything they possibly can into a writeoff, get a bunch of costs off the books, and make it easier to declare a &quot;profit&quot; in succeeding quarters based on the reduced operating costs.

For all we know, only a fraction of the writeoff has anything to do with the actual inventory markdown, right? Or was this the whole point you were trying to imply?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was traditional on Wall Street for companies to jam anything they possibly can into a writeoff, get a bunch of costs off the books, and make it easier to declare a &#8220;profit&#8221; in succeeding quarters based on the reduced operating costs.</p>
<p>For all we know, only a fraction of the writeoff has anything to do with the actual inventory markdown, right? Or was this the whole point you were trying to imply?</p>
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		<title>By: KenC</title>
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		<dc:creator>KenC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assumed that RIM ordered 2M PBs from Quanta, based upon 500k a quarter. The per unit cost was $242.50, which is in the ballpark. They&#039;re writing down the full value of the device to zero. I expect they&#039;ll eventually throw the PBs in the warehouse into a landfill somewhere, maybe they&#039;ll get recycled, maybe they&#039;ll get refurbed and turned into Kindle Fires, whereupon they may recapture some of that write down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assumed that RIM ordered 2M PBs from Quanta, based upon 500k a quarter. The per unit cost was $242.50, which is in the ballpark. They&#8217;re writing down the full value of the device to zero. I expect they&#8217;ll eventually throw the PBs in the warehouse into a landfill somewhere, maybe they&#8217;ll get recycled, maybe they&#8217;ll get refurbed and turned into Kindle Fires, whereupon they may recapture some of that write down.</p>
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		<title>By: geekboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>geekboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter:

The sad part is that the assorted departments at RIM *aren&#039;t* staffed by monkeys, they are full of smart and creative people.  The problem with RIM is that smart and creative ideas get crushed at the management level.  The minds at the very top of the company are 100% sure that their way is the best way, all of RIM&#039;s products are best of breed, and the CUSTOMERS are the part of the equation that is out of whack.  So why change course?  People will come back to their senses and buy products just because they say Blackberry on them Any Day Now.  Soon.  Really.  Have another glass of Flav-R-Aid and sit tight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter:</p>
<p>The sad part is that the assorted departments at RIM *aren&#8217;t* staffed by monkeys, they are full of smart and creative people.  The problem with RIM is that smart and creative ideas get crushed at the management level.  The minds at the very top of the company are 100% sure that their way is the best way, all of RIM&#8217;s products are best of breed, and the CUSTOMERS are the part of the equation that is out of whack.  So why change course?  People will come back to their senses and buy products just because they say Blackberry on them Any Day Now.  Soon.  Really.  Have another glass of Flav-R-Aid and sit tight.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Reinert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Reinert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about another shoe waiting to drop - how &#039;bout the gazillion phones that RIM shipped, both before and after the much ballyhooed BB7 O/s debuted?!

Surprise - 2 year commitments to something variously thought to have a 3-9 month &quot;state-of-the-art&quot; status ... have been just a tad disappointing.

Many of us lived through Enron, the dot-com bubble, Madoff, etc. I think you almost HAVE TO look for &quot;skullduggery&quot; before a $10B-plus company (of course, the number is even higher if you walk back some number of months) heads toward the pink sheets. I have no idea whether Canada&#039;s version of the S.E.C. is as pathetic as our own, but it&#039;s clear that RIM either incorporated in Delaware or there&#039;s a Canadian equivalent, where Boards can be drinking buddies, being paid who knows what for doing who knows what. Wait - on the latter - I know what! - they do squat!

Anyhow, it&#039;s sad (but not, probably, rising to a winning lawsuit) how cavalier the RIM execs have been in their estimates. You&#039;d think that having said that Apple&#039;s products posed no threat to someone who &quot;knew the business world inside out and backwards,&quot; they&#039;d be just the tiniest bit humble and/or cautious.

But they haven&#039;t, ... and it sounds like they&#039;re setting up to do it again on Thursday - looking for the next quarter to fall a little short of the present one sounds like the biggest case of &quot;wishful thinking&quot; I&#039;ve ever heard.

And it&#039;s clear that analysts have - many of them - accepted their predictions, hence those 10% &quot;haircut&quot; days when mgt. fesses up that they were a trifle overly optimistic.

That&#039;s what - I think - REALLY queers an acquisition of RIM - since the company&#039;s &quot;leaders&quot; have demonstrated that they don&#039;t know which end is up, any potential acquiror as to wonder how bad the &quot;rot&quot; is, ... and they&#039;re probably wary of under-estimating it, given HP&#039;s experience with Palm.

If design, marketing, etc. look like they&#039;re staffed with monkeys, are you sure the best legal minds took appropriate care of RIM&#039;s IP? Neither of us KNOWS, but acquisitions of a company whose leadership is surely among the 3 contenders for WORST strike me as unlikely. If stock options allow you to hang onto some genuine talent, how do you think RIM is doing in that category?! ... People who think that they have &quot;security&quot; on their side must have missed that one-week outage. Looks like an empty box to me, and if that draws a $10 Billion offer, it must be 1999 again. I know it isn&#039;t, and it&#039;s obvious that most people posting here can also tell time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about another shoe waiting to drop &#8211; how &#8217;bout the gazillion phones that RIM shipped, both before and after the much ballyhooed BB7 O/s debuted?!</p>
<p>Surprise &#8211; 2 year commitments to something variously thought to have a 3-9 month &#8220;state-of-the-art&#8221; status &#8230; have been just a tad disappointing.</p>
<p>Many of us lived through Enron, the dot-com bubble, Madoff, etc. I think you almost HAVE TO look for &#8220;skullduggery&#8221; before a $10B-plus company (of course, the number is even higher if you walk back some number of months) heads toward the pink sheets. I have no idea whether Canada&#8217;s version of the S.E.C. is as pathetic as our own, but it&#8217;s clear that RIM either incorporated in Delaware or there&#8217;s a Canadian equivalent, where Boards can be drinking buddies, being paid who knows what for doing who knows what. Wait &#8211; on the latter &#8211; I know what! &#8211; they do squat!</p>
<p>Anyhow, it&#8217;s sad (but not, probably, rising to a winning lawsuit) how cavalier the RIM execs have been in their estimates. You&#8217;d think that having said that Apple&#8217;s products posed no threat to someone who &#8220;knew the business world inside out and backwards,&#8221; they&#8217;d be just the tiniest bit humble and/or cautious.</p>
<p>But they haven&#8217;t, &#8230; and it sounds like they&#8217;re setting up to do it again on Thursday &#8211; looking for the next quarter to fall a little short of the present one sounds like the biggest case of &#8220;wishful thinking&#8221; I&#8217;ve ever heard.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s clear that analysts have &#8211; many of them &#8211; accepted their predictions, hence those 10% &#8220;haircut&#8221; days when mgt. fesses up that they were a trifle overly optimistic.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what &#8211; I think &#8211; REALLY queers an acquisition of RIM &#8211; since the company&#8217;s &#8220;leaders&#8221; have demonstrated that they don&#8217;t know which end is up, any potential acquiror as to wonder how bad the &#8220;rot&#8221; is, &#8230; and they&#8217;re probably wary of under-estimating it, given HP&#8217;s experience with Palm.</p>
<p>If design, marketing, etc. look like they&#8217;re staffed with monkeys, are you sure the best legal minds took appropriate care of RIM&#8217;s IP? Neither of us KNOWS, but acquisitions of a company whose leadership is surely among the 3 contenders for WORST strike me as unlikely. If stock options allow you to hang onto some genuine talent, how do you think RIM is doing in that category?! &#8230; People who think that they have &#8220;security&#8221; on their side must have missed that one-week outage. Looks like an empty box to me, and if that draws a $10 Billion offer, it must be 1999 again. I know it isn&#8217;t, and it&#8217;s obvious that most people posting here can also tell time!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 16:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the quarter RIMM grew cash by &quot;80mm&quot;; I am very interested to see how the did this and how much of the share buyback program they did. If they didnt buy a share back, and mgmt hasn&#039;t bot a share, then I am in a little trouble. 
Revenue is recognized when it&#039;s shipped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the quarter RIMM grew cash by &#8220;80mm&#8221;; I am very interested to see how the did this and how much of the share buyback program they did. If they didnt buy a share back, and mgmt hasn&#8217;t bot a share, then I am in a little trouble.<br />
Revenue is recognized when it&#8217;s shipped.</p>
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		<title>By: James Chi</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Chi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 02:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do free Playbooks count? As far as I could see RIM was pretty free with hardware. You just had to claim to be a Flash developer in certain venues to get a free tablet. $200 to manufacture... no revenue and no software development too. That&#039;s a bad formula.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do free Playbooks count? As far as I could see RIM was pretty free with hardware. You just had to claim to be a Flash developer in certain venues to get a free tablet. $200 to manufacture&#8230; no revenue and no software development too. That&#8217;s a bad formula.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Louis Gassée</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/12/05/behind-rim%e2%80%99s-485m-write-off/#comment-20455</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean-Louis Gassée</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mango: You&#039;re right, the PlayBook shouldn&#039;t be confused with the Fire. One is a success. The other one came out without an email client.
Just kidding. I agree these are two very different products. RIM execs were apparently &quot;blindsided&quot; by the Fire http://j.mp/rIZ70E</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mango: You&#8217;re right, the PlayBook shouldn&#8217;t be confused with the Fire. One is a success. The other one came out without an email client.<br />
Just kidding. I agree these are two very different products. RIM execs were apparently &#8220;blindsided&#8221; by the Fire <a href="http://j.mp/rIZ70E" rel="nofollow">http://j.mp/rIZ70E</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Louis Gassée</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Louis Gassée</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ All: Accointing, costs. etc...

2. The cost of a PlayBook isn&#039;t precisely known, nor is the mix of configurations. I&#039;ve used a published estimate a little above $200, not the Fire, the second number I referred to in the MN. Another estimate is $297. Let&#039;s say $300. That would still make more than 1.6M tablets written down to zero. Not sure it makes sense.
3. Inventory valuation at $500/tablet? No. that&#039;s not permitted. The rule says the lowest of (manufacturing) cost or (current) market price. The later market price is now significantly below $500. If the &quot;street price&quot; goes down to $99, for example, if the cost was $299, you need to take a $200 write-down per unit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ All: Accointing, costs. etc&#8230;</p>
<p>2. The cost of a PlayBook isn&#8217;t precisely known, nor is the mix of configurations. I&#8217;ve used a published estimate a little above $200, not the Fire, the second number I referred to in the MN. Another estimate is $297. Let&#8217;s say $300. That would still make more than 1.6M tablets written down to zero. Not sure it makes sense.<br />
3. Inventory valuation at $500/tablet? No. that&#8217;s not permitted. The rule says the lowest of (manufacturing) cost or (current) market price. The later market price is now significantly below $500. If the &#8220;street price&#8221; goes down to $99, for example, if the cost was $299, you need to take a $200 write-down per unit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean-Louis Gassée</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean-Louis Gassée</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 22:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ All: Accounting, costs, deals with retailers, etc.

1. Revenue Recognition rules demand you do _not_ count as revenue the portion of your sales that are subject to some merchandise return agreement. In other words, if RIM runs regular books, they have a not counted as revenue whatever was subject to &quot;unsold&quot; returns. But they haven&#039;t mentioned any of that. Perhaps they will on Dec 15th when they discuss the quarter just ended.
If you reserve the right amount, nothing happens to your revenue when the retailer returns the product. But your inventory may or may not increase, depending upon the way you accounted for the &quot;at risk&quot; product. Generally, you move a number from the reserve account, now depleted, to the inventory, now larger. There are many other permutations such as keeping title to the machines you ship, they are still yours, in your inventory, but &quot;on consignement&quot; with the retailer. And so on...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ All: Accounting, costs, deals with retailers, etc.</p>
<p>1. Revenue Recognition rules demand you do _not_ count as revenue the portion of your sales that are subject to some merchandise return agreement. In other words, if RIM runs regular books, they have a not counted as revenue whatever was subject to &#8220;unsold&#8221; returns. But they haven&#8217;t mentioned any of that. Perhaps they will on Dec 15th when they discuss the quarter just ended.<br />
If you reserve the right amount, nothing happens to your revenue when the retailer returns the product. But your inventory may or may not increase, depending upon the way you accounted for the &#8220;at risk&#8221; product. Generally, you move a number from the reserve account, now depleted, to the inventory, now larger. There are many other permutations such as keeping title to the machines you ship, they are still yours, in your inventory, but &#8220;on consignement&#8221; with the retailer. And so on&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: geekboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>geekboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will:  You make a good point, but possibly an erroneous one.  The Fire and the Playbook are definitely built on the same platform.  The Playbook has more bells and whistles, but that does not equate to a definite higher cost.  Unless both items are cracked open, there is no way to tell the quality or the integration level of the components. RIM is notorious for using bargain-basement RAM chips and GPS chipsets - the Fire could easily cost as much if the silicon inside is of decent quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will:  You make a good point, but possibly an erroneous one.  The Fire and the Playbook are definitely built on the same platform.  The Playbook has more bells and whistles, but that does not equate to a definite higher cost.  Unless both items are cracked open, there is no way to tell the quality or the integration level of the components. RIM is notorious for using bargain-basement RAM chips and GPS chipsets &#8211; the Fire could easily cost as much if the silicon inside is of decent quality.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a follow up, I think Harry hit the nail on the head. Has RIM already written down Playbook valuation (from $500 to $200) or is this the first write-down? If this is the first write-down, then it would presumably be from something around $500+ to as low as $0 meaning inventory levels are much lower.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a follow up, I think Harry hit the nail on the head. Has RIM already written down Playbook valuation (from $500 to $200) or is this the first write-down? If this is the first write-down, then it would presumably be from something around $500+ to as low as $0 meaning inventory levels are much lower.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean-Louis,

Is it possible that RIM signed up retail partners to purchase a set quantity of Playbooks with the contract stipulating that if enough of that purchase by the retail partner did not sell through to customers that the retail partner could sell back (or return) the Playbooks to RIM? This would allow RIM to claim the Playbooks as sold for accounting purposes and also give the retail partners an easy out if stock levels remained high. What I&#039;m not clear on is whether this is the normal tactic employed in manufacturer/retail operations when an item is considered shipped as opposed to sold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean-Louis,</p>
<p>Is it possible that RIM signed up retail partners to purchase a set quantity of Playbooks with the contract stipulating that if enough of that purchase by the retail partner did not sell through to customers that the retail partner could sell back (or return) the Playbooks to RIM? This would allow RIM to claim the Playbooks as sold for accounting purposes and also give the retail partners an easy out if stock levels remained high. What I&#8217;m not clear on is whether this is the normal tactic employed in manufacturer/retail operations when an item is considered shipped as opposed to sold.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your article does not properly estimate the cost of a BlackBerry PlayBook. The PlayBook is not a Kindle Fire, it has more storage, Bluetooth, GPS, two HD cameras, more RAM, more storage, and a touch-sensitive bezel (probably more differences, but that&#039;s all off the top of my head). The additional hardware features are all extra cost above the Kindle Fire estimate. 

You also do not consider the different PlayBook models with a range of storage capacities: 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB. All three greater than the Fire, and surely more expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your article does not properly estimate the cost of a BlackBerry PlayBook. The PlayBook is not a Kindle Fire, it has more storage, Bluetooth, GPS, two HD cameras, more RAM, more storage, and a touch-sensitive bezel (probably more differences, but that&#8217;s all off the top of my head). The additional hardware features are all extra cost above the Kindle Fire estimate. </p>
<p>You also do not consider the different PlayBook models with a range of storage capacities: 16GB, 32GB, and 64GB. All three greater than the Fire, and surely more expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: mark212</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/12/05/behind-rim%e2%80%99s-485m-write-off/#comment-20442</link>
		<dc:creator>mark212</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 20:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this has shareholders&#039; derivative suit written all over it.</description>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/12/05/behind-rim%e2%80%99s-485m-write-off/#comment-20439</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean,

You point out that when the value of an item in inventory falls from $500 to $100, the company has to take a write-off of $400. 

Doesn&#039;t that mean that this $485m write-off is not related to production costs of the playbooks, only to what they previously declared as the value of the inventory compared to how they now value it?

If they write down the value of their inventory of playbooks from an average of $600, let&#039;s say, to $100, they&#039;d only have to have 900k playbooks in inventory to warrant the write-off.

It also probably means they&#039;re losing much less than $485 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean,</p>
<p>You point out that when the value of an item in inventory falls from $500 to $100, the company has to take a write-off of $400. </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t that mean that this $485m write-off is not related to production costs of the playbooks, only to what they previously declared as the value of the inventory compared to how they now value it?</p>
<p>If they write down the value of their inventory of playbooks from an average of $600, let&#8217;s say, to $100, they&#8217;d only have to have 900k playbooks in inventory to warrant the write-off.</p>
<p>It also probably means they&#8217;re losing much less than $485 million.</p>
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		<title>By: Mango</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/12/05/behind-rim%e2%80%99s-485m-write-off/#comment-20437</link>
		<dc:creator>Mango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 19:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Playbook != Kindle Fire.

After that incorrect assumption, everything else just falls apart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Playbook != Kindle Fire.</p>
<p>After that incorrect assumption, everything else just falls apart.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted T.</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/12/05/behind-rim%e2%80%99s-485m-write-off/#comment-20436</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted T.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 18:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@walter: &quot;There is no future in RIM stock, dump it NOW or lose it all.&quot;

I agree that there is no future for RIM.  The stock is a different matter though -- someone might buy RIM tomorrow -- patents, BES licenses, corporate customer base -- might be worth something.  AFAIK the RIMs market value is low enough that you could buy it, sell off the scraps and turn a profit.   Granted, it is just as possible that RIM will slide into bankruptcy before anyone buys it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@walter: &#8220;There is no future in RIM stock, dump it NOW or lose it all.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree that there is no future for RIM.  The stock is a different matter though &#8212; someone might buy RIM tomorrow &#8212; patents, BES licenses, corporate customer base &#8212; might be worth something.  AFAIK the RIMs market value is low enough that you could buy it, sell off the scraps and turn a profit.   Granted, it is just as possible that RIM will slide into bankruptcy before anyone buys it.</p>
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		<title>By: geekboy</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/12/05/behind-rim%e2%80%99s-485m-write-off/#comment-20435</link>
		<dc:creator>geekboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 17:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the claim of 700K Playbooks sold to be ludicrous (obviously this is RIMM being ludicrous, not our esteemed author here).  If they sold those units, where the hell are they.  The NPD data that everyone was talking about last week (the famous &quot;Oooh, look there is a market for non-iPad tablets, if we conveniently don&#039;t count the iPad&quot; report) relegates the Playbook to the dreaded &quot;other&quot; group, the collection of third-string wannabes who didn&#039;t even sell 100K units in the US. ( https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/pressreleases/pr_111122b ).

Is it possible that RIMM sold 700K units and less than 1 in 7 of those was sold in the US?  Sure, anything is possible.  Is it even remotely likely?  No, not a chance.  If NPD&#039;s numbers are even close to accurate, there is no way that RIMM broke 300K in sales.  No way at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the claim of 700K Playbooks sold to be ludicrous (obviously this is RIMM being ludicrous, not our esteemed author here).  If they sold those units, where the hell are they.  The NPD data that everyone was talking about last week (the famous &#8220;Oooh, look there is a market for non-iPad tablets, if we conveniently don&#8217;t count the iPad&#8221; report) relegates the Playbook to the dreaded &#8220;other&#8221; group, the collection of third-string wannabes who didn&#8217;t even sell 100K units in the US. ( <a href="https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/pressreleases/pr_111122b" rel="nofollow">https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/us/news/pressreleases/pr_111122b</a> ).</p>
<p>Is it possible that RIMM sold 700K units and less than 1 in 7 of those was sold in the US?  Sure, anything is possible.  Is it even remotely likely?  No, not a chance.  If NPD&#8217;s numbers are even close to accurate, there is no way that RIMM broke 300K in sales.  No way at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Perks</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/12/05/behind-rim%e2%80%99s-485m-write-off/#comment-20434</link>
		<dc:creator>Perks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 17:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;Sales&quot;. Sales in one quarter can be returned in another and revert back to inventory.  ATT alone has ~2000 stores, so an initial order of 10 units each store would be 200,000 units. ATT can force those back on RIM now that the product fails. How? Simply withhold payment on Invoices and ship them back.

Re:&quot;Write down to zero&quot;. No doubt the writedown includes accessories and a likely penalty is due to the manufacturer based on minimum  contracted production run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;Sales&#8221;. Sales in one quarter can be returned in another and revert back to inventory.  ATT alone has ~2000 stores, so an initial order of 10 units each store would be 200,000 units. ATT can force those back on RIM now that the product fails. How? Simply withhold payment on Invoices and ship them back.</p>
<p>Re:&#8221;Write down to zero&#8221;. No doubt the writedown includes accessories and a likely penalty is due to the manufacturer based on minimum  contracted production run.</p>
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		<title>By: walter</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2011/12/05/behind-rim%e2%80%99s-485m-write-off/#comment-20433</link>
		<dc:creator>walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 17:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no future in RIM stock, dump it NOW or lose it all.</description>
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		<title>By: Greyden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greyden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 17:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply JLG, you obviously did do your research before writing this article, my apologies.  Perhaps the 500k + 200k &quot;sales&quot; were actual sales, but RIM is giving retailers extra credit on new Playbooks ordered so that retailers will continue to stock the product at the new lower price?  If they are giving a $100 credit in kind for new orders, for each old Playbook order that was not sold that could explain it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply JLG, you obviously did do your research before writing this article, my apologies.  Perhaps the 500k + 200k &#8220;sales&#8221; were actual sales, but RIM is giving retailers extra credit on new Playbooks ordered so that retailers will continue to stock the product at the new lower price?  If they are giving a $100 credit in kind for new orders, for each old Playbook order that was not sold that could explain it?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Weller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Weller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2011 16:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could the write down include future obligations to their suppliers? It&#039;s noted as being &quot;related to&quot; inventory valuation, not &quot;actual&quot; inventory valuation. 

Maybe they signed contracts to make or buy parts for millions more Playbooks and now can&#039;t weasel out of them.

Maybe they expect additional costs, say, for the warehousing of the hardware they cannot sell.

Maybe there are software licenses that they pre-paid X for that have recently lowered their price to X/10.

Maybe the figure includes a completely unknown product that they built and killed after they&#039;d made a whole bunch and won&#039;t own up to.

To me this points to a contractual screw-up driven by believing that low sales were an impossibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could the write down include future obligations to their suppliers? It&#8217;s noted as being &#8220;related to&#8221; inventory valuation, not &#8220;actual&#8221; inventory valuation. </p>
<p>Maybe they signed contracts to make or buy parts for millions more Playbooks and now can&#8217;t weasel out of them.</p>
<p>Maybe they expect additional costs, say, for the warehousing of the hardware they cannot sell.</p>
<p>Maybe there are software licenses that they pre-paid X for that have recently lowered their price to X/10.</p>
<p>Maybe the figure includes a completely unknown product that they built and killed after they&#8217;d made a whole bunch and won&#8217;t own up to.</p>
<p>To me this points to a contractual screw-up driven by believing that low sales were an impossibility.</p>
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