The Apple-Intel-Samsung Ménage à Trois

Fascinating doesn’t do justice to the spectacle, nor to the stakes. Taken in pairs, these giants exchange fluids – products and billion$ – while fiercely fighting with their other half. Each company is the World’s Number One in their domain: Intel in microprocessors, Samsung in electronics, Apple in failure to fail as ordained by the sages.

The ARM-based chips in iDevices come from a foundry owned by Samsung, Apple’s mortal smartphone enemy. Intel supplies x86 chips to Apple and its PC competitors, Samsung included, and would like nothing more than to raid Samsung’s ARM business and make a triumphant Intel Inside claim for Post-PC devices. And Apple would love to get rid of Samsung, its enemy supplier, but not at the cost of losing the four advantages it derives from using the ARM architecture: cost, power consumption, customization and ownership of the design.

At its annual investor day last week, Intel CEO Paul Otellini sounded a bit like a spurned suitor as he made yet another bid for Apple’s iDevices business [emphasis mine]:

“Our job is to insure our silicon is so compelling, in terms off running the Mac better or being a better iPad device, that […] they can’t ignore us.”

This is a bit odd. Intel is Apple’s only supplier of x86 microprocessors; AMD, Intel’s main competitor, isn’t in the picture. How could Apple ‘‘ignore’’ Intel? Au contraire, many, yours truly included, have wondered: Why has Intel ignored Apple’s huge iDevices business?

Perhaps Intel simply didn’t see the wave coming. Steeped in its domination of the PC business — and perhaps listening too much to the dismissive comments of Messrs. Ballmer and Shaw — Intel got stuck knitting one x86 generation after another. The formula wasn’t broken.

Another, and perhaps more believable, explanation is the business model problem. These new ARM chips are great, but where’s the money? They’re too inexpensive, they bring less than a third, sometimes even just a fifth of the price, of a tried and true x86 PC microprocessor. This might explain why Intel sold their ARM business, XScale chips, to Marvell in 2006.

Then there’s the power consumption factor: x86 chips use more watts than an ARM chip. Regardless of price, this is why ARM chips have proliferated in battery-limited mobile devices. Year after year, Intel has promised, and failed, to nullify ARM’s power consumption advantage through their technical and manufacturing might.

2012 might be different. Intel claims ‘‘the x86 power myth is finally busted.” Android phones powered by the latest x86 iteration have been demonstrated. One such device will be made and sold in India, in partnership with a company called Lava International. Orange, the France-based international carrier, also intends to sell an Intel-based smartphone.

With all this, what stops Apple from doing what worked so well for their Macintosh line: Drop ARM (and thus Samsung), join the Intel camp yet again, and be happy forever after in a relationship with fewer participants?

There appear to be a number of reasons to do so.

First, there would be no border war. Unlike Samsung, Intel doesn’t make smartphones and tablets. Intel sells to manufacturers and Apple sells to humans.

Second, the patent front is equally quiet. The two companies have suitable Intellectual Property arrangements and, of late, Intel is helping Apple in its patent fights with Samsung.

Third, if the newer generation of x86 chips are as sober as claimed, the power consumption obstacle will be gone. (But let’s be cautious, here. Not only have we heard these claims before, nothing says that ARM foundries won’t also make progress.)

Finally, Otellini’s ‘‘they can’t ignore us’’ could be decoded as ‘‘they won’t be able to ignore our prices’’. Once concerned about what ARM-like prices would do to its business model, Intel appears to have seen the Post-PC light: Traditional PCs will continue to make technical progress, but the go-go days of ever-increasing volumes are gone. It now sounds like Intel has decided to cannibalize parts of its PC business in order to gain a seat at the smartphone and tablet table.

Just like Apple must have gotten a very friendly agreement when switching the Mac to Intel, one can easily see a (still very hypothetical) sweet deal for low-power x86 chips for iDevices. Winning the iDevices account would put Intel “on the Post-PC map.” That should be worth a suitable price concession.

Is this enough for Apple to ditch Samsung?

Not so fast, there’s one big obstacle left.

Let’s not forget who Samsung is and how they operate. This is a family-controlled chaebol, a gang of extremely determined people whose daring tactics make Microsoft, Oracle, Google, and Apple itself blush. Chairman Lee Kun-hee has been embroiled in various “misunderstandings.” He was convicted (and then pardoned) in a slush fund scandal. The company was caught in cartel arrangements and paid a fine of more than $200M in one case. As part of the multi-lawsuit fight with Apple, the company has been accused of willfully withholding and destroying evidence — and this isn’t their first offense. Samsung look like a determined repeat obstructor of justice. My own observations of Samsung in previous industry posts are not inconsistent with the above. Samsung plays hardball and then some.

This doesn’t diminish Samsung’s achievements. The Korean conglomerate’s success on so many fronts is a testament to the vision, skill, and energy of its leaders and workers. But there has been so much bad blood between Samsung and Apple that one has a hard time seeing even an armed peace between the two companies.

And this doesn’t mean Apple will abandon ARM processors. The company keeps investing in silicon design teams, it has plenty of money, some of which could go into financing parts or the entirety of a foundry for one of Samsung’s competitors in Taiwan (TSMC) or elsewhere in the US, Europe, or Israel. If it’s a strategic move and not just an empty boast on PowerPoint slides, $10B for a foundry is within Apple’s budget.

To its adopters, ARM’s big advantage is customization. Once you have an ARM license, you’ve entered an ecosystem of CAD software and module libraries. You alter the processor design as you wish, remove the parts you don’t need, and add components licensed from third parties. The finished product is a SOC (System On a Chip) that is uniquely yours and more suited to your needs than an off-the-shelf processor from a vendor such as Intel. Customization, licensing chip designs to customers — such moves are not in the Intel playbook, they’re not part of the culture.

I don’t see Apple losing its appetite for customization and ownership, for making its products more competitive by incorporating new functions, such as voice processing and advanced graphics on their SOCs. For this reason alone, I don’t see Apple joining the x86 camp for iDevices. (Nor do I see competitive smartphone makers dropping their SOCs in favor of an Intel chip or chipset.)

Intel isn’t completely out of the game, but to truly play they would need to join the ARM camp, either as a full licensee designing SOCs or as a founder for SOCs engineered by Apple and its competitors.

These are risky times: A false move by any one vertex of the love triangle and tens of billions of dollars will flow in the wrong direction.

JLG@mondaynote.com

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24 Comments

  1. no
    Posted May 14, 2012 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    Apple is not in favor of Atom chip set. LLVM didn’t have any support for it until
    Intel engineers submitted patches in up coming version 3.1.
    Apple has given up on 32 bit x86 and is exclusively using 64 bit with
    more registers x86_64.
    32 bit might as well be deprecated from Apple compilers.
    Apple just bought Flash controller company. Their SOC has H264 encoder/decoder, IPC. Noise canceling, other secret stuff.
    With A15 with Rogue Series 6. Intel will have to up their number dramatically.
    Plus Apple has changed from Infenion to Qualcomm chips.

  2. iphoned
    Posted May 14, 2012 at 5:51 am | Permalink

    I am mystified why Apple hasn’t yet found an alternative to Samsung for ARM.

  3. Posted May 14, 2012 at 6:00 am | Permalink

    ARM is a $10/chip business (with over 95% of that going to the chip maker). Intel is a $100/chip business forced by OLPC to do the $30/chip business. Why would Intel be eager to enter the $10/chip business?

    Apple is in the $500 profit/device business while using ARM in iPhone. $250 profit/device using ARM in iPad. Why would Apple want to give Intel a part of that money?

    The Android ecosystem allows for $25 profit/device smartphone and tablet to basically take over 90% of the smartphone and tablet market within the year. Apple obviously is going to have to give up profits or market share.

    Samsung has already become the number 1 smartphone maker, they can then triple revenue/profits and market share every year and just laugh in Korea. Apple could combine weaknesses with Intel, at the same time loose profits, loose market share, fail and collapse on so many different levels at the same time. That’s it. Apple should use all its cash to buy Facebook before the IPO, Apple should use Intel in smartphones and tablets to accelerate its collapse of profits and market share, and that would mean a quick AAPL bankruptcy. Going from being worlds biggest company to bankrupt in 1 year would be a fantastic story.

  4. Posted May 14, 2012 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    It’s not that Intel didn’t see it. It’s that Intel purposefully ignored it. In fact, we’ve seen this story before. Go back to laptops made in 2003-2004 and the idea of a “mobile Pentium” chip was a joke. While they had decent performance, their thermals were insane, and battery life sucked (even their desktop chips were plagued with similar problems) It wasn’t until the Core 2 Duo in late-2006 that they redeemed themselves in the market.

    And we seem to be repeating the story again and all of the promises Intel is making with Haswell. But this time, Intel has to deal with real competitors like Samsung, nVidia, Qualcomm, and TI instead of AMD, and they will not go down without a fight.

  5. Posted May 14, 2012 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    @iPhoneD – There aren’t any other foundries that are as reliable as Samsung in producing millions of chips on the newest manufacturing process possible. Period.

    @Charbax – Because it is far more likely for every person in the world to own a phone than a computer. And what happens when your phone IS your computer, storing all of your data, with a keyboard and monitor shared in a group? Then Intel is REALLY screwed.

  6. Hamranhansenhansen
    Posted May 14, 2012 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    > With all this, what stops Apple from doing what worked
    > so well for their Macintosh line: Drop ARM (and thus
    > Samsung), join the Intel camp yet again, and be happy
    > forever after in a relationship with fewer participants?

    That would be the opposite of what worked well for the Mac, because the positions of Intel and ARM are reversed when you move from PC’s to mobile.

    Switching the Mac from PowerPC to Intel moved Apple from an architecture that had about 3% of the total market to one that had about 97% of the total market. Switching the iPad from ARM to Intel would move Apple the other way, from ARM’s 99% plus to Intel’s less than 1%.

    Apple has so many software advantages, integration advantages, design advantages, retailing advantages, service advantages — and so on — that the #1 thing I think they need from a CPU architecture is for it not to be a disadvantage. In other words, Apple needs their CPU’s to be at least on par with all of their competitors. So by using Intel, they ensured that they would be equal with HP and Dell in CPU power, and so the competition would be on other points, and it has been, ever since the Intel Mac. By using ARM in mobile, every generation of ARM reference designs benefits both Apple and all their competitors equally. If Apple is the only mobile on Intel then maybe that benefits Apple some years (like PowerPC did some years) and maybe it hurts Apple some years (again, like PowerPC) but it is better just to remove that consideration altogether and essentially use the same CPU as everyone else but add value above that in GPU, firmware, system software, app platform, cloud services, retail, support, and so on.

    The Mac running Intel and iPad running ARM makes the CPU a constant, like AC power. A Mac running PowerPC or ARM is risky. An iPad running Intel is risky. There are just so many other ways for Apple to add value than experimental CPU architectures.

    > I don’t see Apple losing its appetite for customization and ownership

    I agree with that. The A5 is the one and only SoC in the world that was designed for a mobile PC rather than a mobile phone. It has exponentially more GPU than any other chip. The GPU was built to run a next-generation high-DPI PC screen like on iPad (3.) The SoC is equivalent to the Mac’s motherboard, which Apple also makes, even though they can get generic from Intel. So in both Mac and iPad and iPhone it is a huge advantage for Apple to build everything above the CPU.

    The Windows RT tablets that are coming to try and compete with iPad are going to do so on SoC’s that were designed to be sold to generic phone makers. It’s going to be a really severe limitation to run PC apps and a PC screen on there.

    > First, there would be no border war. Unlike Samsung, Intel
    > doesn’t make smartphones and tablets. Intel sells to
    > manufacturers and Apple sells to humans.

    I think there is already a border war between Apple and Intel. Intel sells to generic manufacturers. Steve Jobs characterized the problem with working with Intel as 1) too slow, 2) whatever Apple teaches them, they will turn around and sell it to Apple’s generic competitors. Look at Ultrabook. The “new” MacBook Air at $999 was essentially Apple cloning their own original $1799 MacBook Air from 3 years before. There is no need for anyone else to clone MacBook Air. The way you can see this is that the companies that have attempted to do so have not been able to do it without subsidies from Intel, and even then, the systems are the same price or just a little less than a MacBook Air even though they are larger and have way fewer features. That is not competitive; that is anti-competitive. Further, selling a consumer an $899 Ultrabook with 20% of the features of a $999 MacBook Air is not advantageous to the consumer.

    So if Apple were to switch iPad to Intel then within a few years you would see Intel offering an UltraPad specification for generic hardware makers which would be the guts of an Apple iPad. Right now, nobody but Apple can buy the guts of an iPad, because nobody but Apple can make the guts of an iPad.

  7. Posted May 14, 2012 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Apple will bite the bullet and build their own fab

  8. Posted May 14, 2012 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    1. There’s also the Samsung-Intel partnership on the Tizen Linux OS. That might not scare Google on Android, but I wouldn’t want to be a ChromeBook product manager. ;-)

    2. ARM chips are starting to make inroads in high-performance computing servers because of the low cost and low power usage. It’s no coincidence all the major Linux distros are beefing up their ARM strategies.

    3. Samsung plays hardball, yes. But so does Intel. Only the paranoid survive, as they say. ;-)

  9. Posted May 14, 2012 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    >>>Why would Intel be eager to enter the $10/chip business?

    Because low-end devices are the new micros of the 1970s. Original Apple desktops helped lead to what we have today, displacing minicomputers, mainframes (servers) and even supercomputers (cloud). The same evolution of power will happen with portable devices — and they will replace the bulky desktops we have today. Intel can either sit by and fight and lose or join in and survive the transition.

  10. Ben
    Posted May 14, 2012 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    There are some technical details being glossed over here:

    Originally, the PPC chips were superior to the intel offerings. Everyone wanted to run on the better platform… But since there was such a small desktop market, it didn’t make since for Motorola/IBM to invest in clock speed improvements, so apple & Be were left in the dust and had to switch to the one supplier that had the performance they needed — even though the platform is one awful kludge on top of another

    In the new ARM vs Intel mobile space, arm has the better platform, better performance, and better power consumption. (and better price). I cannot think of any way intel can compete in this space with an X86 ISA

    With both Apple and Microsoft shipping ARM operating systems, Intel may be more worried about ARM creeping back onto the desktop- and may simply be fighting the desktop war from an advance position in the mobile space.

  11. Walt French
    Posted May 14, 2012 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    “Another, and perhaps more believable, explanation is the business model problem. These new ARM chips are great, but where’s the money?”
    .
    Interesting to think that Intel, which is occasionally cited by Christensen as a firm that “gets” his Disruption Theory—heck, Andy Grove’s blurb graces The Innovator’s Dilemma’s jacket—would be unable to work its way around the low-end disruption problem. All the more so that they had experience with the ARM technology as XScale before Marvel got the remainder.
    .
    It WOULD be embarrassing for Intel to jump back into ARM after watching it drain money, but perhaps even more, it would signal that X86 was not the primary vehicle for going that way. I imagine that Intel has done a sensible analysis of where their high-end business is going, and decided it’s not yet time to cannibalize it for the ultra-high-volume, ultra-low-margin mobile business. They HAVE stuck their toe in the water with the announcement of one (Indian!) phone using X86.
    .
    Methinks that Intel is assuming it can achieve a role for X86 in the mobile device market with a couple iterations of design tweaking (plus the inevitable power-hunger by software designers and users) that’ll better align Intel’s current power/performance mix with demands. I’ll guess the status quo obtains for some time with regard to Intel. Whether Apple makes the plunge by a major latch-up with a TSMC or similar is another question again.

  12. SockRolid
    Posted May 14, 2012 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Re: “The company keeps investing in silicon design teams, it has plenty of money, some of which could go into financing parts or the entirety of a foundry for one of Samsung’s competitors in Taiwan (TSMC) or elsewhere in the US, Europe, or Israel.”

    Maybe Apple could enter a joint partnership with TSMC to produce A6 chips and other future SoCs. Apple could build a foundry in the US. Right next to the Samsung foundry in Austin Texas, where A5 chips are currently being made.

  13. SockRolid
    Posted May 14, 2012 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    @ Ben re: “With both Apple and Microsoft shipping ARM operating systems, Intel may be more worried about ARM creeping back onto the desktop- and may simply be fighting the desktop war from an advance position in the mobile space.”
    .
    Intel has achieved huge success by sticking with x86. And, ironically, sticking with x86 may kill them in the long term. Over the decades, Intel has contorted the x86 instruction set to service Windows. It is not suited for mobile computing. Period.
    .
    There are only two issues preventing Apple from migrating MacBook Air to ARM-based Ax SoCs: 1) 64-bit support and 2) quad-core processors. Last year, ARM announced that their next-gen ARMv8 architecture will support 64-bit computing, with 32-bit backward compatibility, and they have published the 64-bit instruction set for it. And it’s only a matter of time before the first 64-bit quad-core ARM chips are rolled out.
    .
    The tired old “won’t run Windows” argument fails. The vast majority of MacBook Air users don’t run Windows anyway. The tiny minority who do will be able to run the ARM fork of Windows 8. Oh, and, of course, the MacBook Pro could continue to use legacy x86 processors. Because, as we have seen in the OS X transition, certain “pro” app vendors are slow to adopt new technologies.

  14. Rolf Raess
    Posted May 14, 2012 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    I’m surprised that Mr. Gassées, once gravedigger of the Apple company, writes an article in your mediocre paper …

  15. rnc
    Posted May 14, 2012 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Don’t have the reference or exact quote, but there is an interview where CEO of Intel says basically “Apple makes us a better company, demands innovation, etc., while everyone else just wanted the cheapest crap that would work”. I’m sure with Apple’s portion of the PC market, etc. Intel holds back some and the generic makers won’t pay what apple can/will (profit margin).

    Is there really a problem between Samsung and Apple? Apple can’t have 100% of revenues, 74% with samsung taking 26% and all other phone makers losing money, samsung and apple are the only things keeping each other out of courts they don’t want to be in. It could just be a ruse, you sue us, we sue you, looks like competition. Just as Apple and MS are more partners now than competitors, concealed with ruses (I always wondered if E.S. left google more because he realized what pissing of apple and scaring MS would lead too, google generates cash, but now what a combined Apple and MS, bring in terms of purchasing power), so the situations with samsung could possible the same.

  16. Posted May 15, 2012 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    The danger of apple lies in the danger of greatness. It must be an attractive idea that they are able to do what they want. Sticking to the main vision is key and they seem to hold on to it…

  17. Posted May 16, 2012 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    The AP battle is just one side of the phone/tablet war; the others being memory and display. Samsung is a key proider for both these components and has turned its supply chain expertise into a consumer facing distribution expertise helped by the *free* android ecosystem. It however, lacks a developer ecosystem, a SDK based ODM/IDH ecosystem and a *true* innovative OS platform that can give them a long term sustainable advantage.

    The Intel worry is declining PC/notebook sales even with Ultrabooks round the corner. The rise of Qualcomm based PCs indicates that low power consumption will rule even this segment, so Intel has to get power usage down, down, down.

    With the Motorola acquision, Google has a full platform in place; Apple has a full platform in place and perhaps MS is getting there soon. If Intel can not become a preferred choice for any of these 3, it will loose the mobile/tablet battle.

    Apple’s innovation power and ability to draw folks such as Toshiba into their fold gives them an edge for now. However, as low cost android devices hit India, China etc., they will be under pressure to change-the-game again..and Intel could be a handy and willing partner.

    Fingers crossed!

  18. Neil
    Posted May 18, 2012 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Apple doesn’t build factories, so it isn’t going have its own semi fab operation. And doesn’t Apple own some percentage of ARM — 10% maybe? But it does make investments in strategic component production, such as displays.

  19. Ravi
    Posted May 29, 2012 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Tom’s Hardware has in interesting argument that (despite their track record) Intel actually does have what it takes in mobile: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/medfield-krait-smartphone-mobile-soc,3117.html

    tl;dr

    1. Mobile and laptop CPUs are converging
    2. Intel is further along the convergence path than Qualcomm (and presumably other ARM SoC vendors with the possible exception of Apple).
    3. Intel is better positioned in GPUs (probably the weakest part of the argument)
    4. Intel’s process edge is the big hammer on top.

    I don’t know if they’re right, but it is an impressive argument (and an impressive call if they are).

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