Not against their VC overlords, mind you. No, calling themselves “Pigeons” (The Fleeced) they staged a highly visible protest (Google translation) against their government’s latest stroke of the money pump. In a nutshell, the new Socialist administration proposed to tax an entrepreneur’s capital gains as ordinary income. In very rough numbers, the tax rate would go from 19% to 60% or, some say, 80% in extreme cases.
The outcry, obligingly amplified by the media, forced the Minister of Finance to meet with a delegation of the aggrieved and to beat a hasty, muddy, non-retreat retreat with the customary weasel words of caring for entrepreneurship, competitiveness, social justice and the country’s much-needed financial sanity.
This isn’t the first time the French government makes moves that hurt both the facts and the perception of its economy. It is, I believe, yet another manifestation of its perverted, ambivalent relationship with money.
Allow me to explain.
I’m at the Café de Flore, my Parisian neighborhood, what I call the World Centre for the Caviar Left. There, my café-crème drinking companions sometimes question my having left France to go live in the epitome of materialism, Silicon Valley. I point to the double-parked Porsches, the Louis Vuitton, Dior, Armani, Berlutti and Ralph Loren stores nearby. The answer, uttered in utmost sincerity, never varies: ‘It’s not the same…’
In a way, they’re right. Considering sex and money, Americans and French cultures exhibit truly polar opposite behaviors. The French see nothing wrong with a President having a wife, a mistress and a love child, they revel in sexual and often sexist jokes. But, if you ask someone how much they paid for their apartment, they’ll react as if you’d touched them in boundary-breaking ways. Conversely, they perceive us Americans as demonizing sex — think a past President and his “oral” office — while being obscene with money.
If, as I believe, the most honest statement of country’s values is its tax code, the French government has time and again clearly stated where it stands.
One such declaration is the ISF, the Wealth Tax. It’s not a gains tax (on income or capital), or a transaction tax (sales tax or VAT), this is a levy on your assets after you’ve paid all taxes on the path to your owning said assets. I can be seen as a cultural indictment of the “haves”. The ISF comes with bizarre (or revealing) exclusions: You own a business, that asset is not taxed; the same goes for your expensive art collection; 75% of the forest you own is ISF-free. (I’ll stop there and warn readers the Wikipedia ISF article is woefully out of date on details, but right on the concept.)
The ISF keeps exerting a perverse influence on the country.
First, too many people with substantial assets fled the country, often to nearby Belgium and UK where they were welcomed as they were going to enrich the local economies. I personally know high-tech executives who, after paying good-size income tax bills for decades, decided to protect their savings and moved out. A loss for the French, from grocers to cab drivers and teachers.
Second, companies with European HQs in France moved out, their execs paying income tax on their wages didn’t want to pay additional levies on their assets. Apple is but one such example. Its Euro HQ is now in London. And, of course, no other company will now expose its execs to the ISF by locating a headquarter in France. Another loss in money and, just as important, in reputation, in making France look business-hostile.
Last May, France elected a new President, François Hollande, a leader of the Socialist Party who successfully presented himself as an alternative to the somewhat conservative and definitely abrasive Nicolas Sarkozy. On the stump, Hollande promised more fiscal justice and went for a new low in demagoguery, saying: ‘I hate rich people’.
Once he got in office, needing more revenue in a sinking economy, he announced he’d raise the ISF percentage, and tax incomes above 1M€ at a new 75% rate. Plus the new tax rate for capital gains discussed at the beginning.
Interestingly, besides the Pigeons’ protest (an example here, so-so translation by Google here), high functionaries in the Ministry of Finance indict their administration’s latest moves. In Le Monde (the semi-official daily) these well-informed technocrats publish a damning opinion piece (translation here) under a nom de plume, Les Arvernes. In it, they remind us that, with the rarest of exceptions, their government bosses never held real jobs. These apparatchiks have no intellectual and, most important, no emotional connection to what building a business is, to putting money and reputation at risk. When you get a wage, you don’t put money at risk. When you build a company, you do. Taxing two different risks at the same rate shows dangerous ignorance of what building a business is — and of the consequences of making France less attractive to business builders.
Here in the Valley, once we’re done slapping our foreheads, we look forward to seeing more talent flow in, looking for a friendlier ecosystem. Paradoxically perhaps, entrepreneurs moving to the Valley shouldn’t worry the money pump operators back in France. As the Israel and India examples uncontrovertibly establish, emigrating entrepreneurs end up doing a lot of good for their country. They send back money, jobs, savoir-faire, technology, culture and optimism. To them, Silicon Valley is a new Villa Medici. This is much better than the Maginot Line French politicians sometime fantasize about in order to prevent individuals to move to better business climates.
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Reminds me of the old joke…
Army captain rushes into the quarters of his commanding officer… “Sir! Sir! The peasants are revolting!”… “Don’t be stupid boy, of course they are…”
Anyhoo… in this part of the world we call what you describe as the Carviar Left as Chardonnay Socialists… and fortunately we don’t have a scraping, grasping Government seeking to tax anything that moves… maybe windows will be next?
France is dangerously playing with the point of no return (just like the ice on the Arctic pole). I feel that I am witnessing the beginning of the slow demise of the bright European civilization as we were used to a long long time ago.
Scary. Even more scary is that California is heading in France’s direction.
Peiple that vote these types politicians and policies in deserve the outcome.
Hi JLG,
All very valid reflections, it seems that it is difficult to separate capital tax from entrepreneurship tax….
However, I would not, repeat NOT trust those high ranking functionaries on their in-depth knowledge of what it is like to build a company, not even having working contract that could be terminated…. just like their bosses. The divide is not there.
JLG,
I look forward every Monday to the business insights you provide, however I was disappointed in this one.
There is much perhaps to bemoan for much of the state of the French approach to taxation. However, you’re opening opening hook of complaining about treating income from any source as the same for taxation purposes – to the justification at the end that that taxation should reflect risk is unbecoming of a man of your analytical insights.
There are some reasons for taxing capital income differently – mainly that capital is flighty – though it’s it’s an empirical issue as to whether it matters at the personal income level. As you suggest, perhaps it is an issue in a collection of closely located and integrated economies that are Europe. An approach that some governments have little choice over given the behavior of neighbours, but not one that necessarily reflects efficient approaches to raising revenue to pay for services provided by governments.
But the issue of risk?…No – investors are compensated on that front on the expected returns against the level of risk they choose. And on that basis, taxation on that income should not be treated any differently than income from other sources.
cheers
I love the conceit of this article. How dare they tax people who earn more than 1million Euros more than others? How dare they take away the special financial treatment given to entrepreneurs – who are after all doing the planet a favour by just being alive?
Why shouldn’t capital gains be treated as income?
Interesting reading. But your point of view, here, is slightly different from “Pigeons” point of view. For what I have read.
But I think Pigeons and you both miss the root cause of this situation.
My understanding is that French Gov is actually asking startups to pay taxes that large companies do not actually pay. In other words, startups are spoiled their expectations by large companies, which spend lots of money and energy to find out many artifices to avoid taxes.
You want to compare USA and France ? So just compare how Google or Apple do contribute to USA economy, in comparison of any CAC40 company, like Total (whose actual contribution is ZERO. They do not pay any taxes but one symbolic euro).
And btw, you are wrong when you state that Gov members do not have any knowledge or connection to business. Give it a closer look : most – if not all – of heading positions in CAC40 French companies are held by ex-members of Government. Or their very close friends. This is called oligarchy.
This is another difference between France and USA, if you dare the comparison. In USA, you can succeed though your hard work. In France, your success is intimately depending on your connections to oligarchy
In other words, a success story à la Facebook is unlikely to occur in France. The hardest position is France is to lead a small or middle enterprise. Not because of French laws and taxes. But because of politics impregnation in CAC40 closed community, private house.
Business angels are rare in France, as a direct consequence of this economic model.
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Jean-Louis I remember the old time when you were sharing with us in the Liberation columns, the way the silicon valley was reengineering the world.
Now you start talking like a old conservative. You are right about the difference between wages and personal money investment. Starting a business is always a bet, and the risk deserve a raisonable reward. But remember that capitalism and “laisser-faire” theses last ten years made the riches richer, poors poorer and throw us in this endless crisis.
More justice is requiered and that’s the way France choose. I agree that some of the current decisions need more flexibility.
Ah, Ah. This article is so “Café du Commerce”. I suppose you should try and spend some time out of your own circle to get some real information.
Let me first correct some facts:
- Hollande decided to announce taxing at 75% above 1M€ BEFORE running for elections, not because of the associated added revenue. It was a political move to ensure the far-left support and to counter Sarkozy’s claim of supporting middle classes. It was a genial political move, and maybe the one he won the election with. You might say it’s immoral, quite rightly, you might say that it’s anti-economic, more difficult to prove since the base is so small and the exonerations will be so easy to set-up wth the right advice. But saying it was a dumb move to grap more money is just plain stupid. And by the way, this is also a mean to legitimate austerity measures to the other 99,999%
- Hollande did not say he hated “rich people”, but that he “did not liked” them. Which is different. And once, in a debate where he was cornered by a government minister arguing he would be putting pressure on middle class (you know, the same government who raised € 600Billions additional debt and lowered all taxes on super riches). So it is not a manifesto, more a communication error
- the 60% tax on capital gains you’re referring to will not be applied in most cases because of a vast choice of options for exceptions. By the way it was a proposal that was removed in 3 days, (because of media incomprehensions of details and Pigeons demagogic distortion) so you can’t say in the same move that Left is stubborn anti business and receptive to critics
- the pigeons move was built by amalgamating the law on capital gain (who touches a few hundred of people) and a minimal raise of social taxes for free-lance, who are more than a million, and hurled with the wolves to protect the interests of super rich people like you
- Of course not all entrepreneurs do agree with this tea-party movement, especially those who are not saving on social payments to get low-taxed capital gains
- The Avernes are right wing apparatchiks losing their jobs with the government and anonymously spitting their venom to the ones who have won
- Of course there is absolutely no reason why risky gains should be taxed lower than non-risky gains. It is the entrepreneur who should target higher ROI to compensate for risk. How amoral to ask for the State to take a part of this risk by lowering the tax. Typical french reaction of a french entrepreneur asking the state to help him…
- In the end, just remember that if the USA has get richer recently, the median wage has not increased in the last decades. Whereas in France it has. So all your claims that this is bad for the economy are ti be taken for what they are: just a pro domo plea in defense of your own interests
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