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		<title>By: The app store: good deeds, poor communication &#124; Padroni</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2012/10/07/french-entrepreneurs-revolt/#comment-42535</link>
		<dc:creator>The app store: good deeds, poor communication &#124; Padroni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 11:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] technopolicy is becoming politics-as-usual in France. Last year, the newly-elected government ran afoul of high-tech entrepreneurs when it announced legislation that would greatly increase taxes on their equity gains, only to beat [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] technopolicy is becoming politics-as-usual in France. Last year, the newly-elected government ran afoul of high-tech entrepreneurs when it announced legislation that would greatly increase taxes on their equity gains, only to beat [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The app store: good deeds, poor communication &#8592; Computernp</title>
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		<dc:creator>The app store: good deeds, poor communication &#8592; Computernp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 May 2013 15:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] technopolicy is becoming politics-as-usual in France. Last year, the newly-elected government ran afoul of high-tech entrepreneurs when it announced legislation that would greatly increase taxes on their equity gains, only to beat [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The app store: good deeds, poor communication &#124; Tech News</title>
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		<dc:creator>The app store: good deeds, poor communication &#124; Tech News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2013 11:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] technopolicy is becoming politics-as-usual in France. Last year, the newly-elected government ran afoul of high-tech entrepreneurs when it announced legislation that would greatly increase taxes on their equity gains, only to beat [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] technopolicy is becoming politics-as-usual in France. Last year, the newly-elected government ran afoul of high-tech entrepreneurs when it announced legislation that would greatly increase taxes on their equity gains, only to beat [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The App Store: Good Deeds, Poor Communication &#124; Monday Note</title>
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		<dc:creator>The App Store: Good Deeds, Poor Communication &#124; Monday Note</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Apr 2013 16:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] technopolicy is becoming politics-as-usual in France. Last year, the newly-elected government ran afoul of high-tech entrepreneurs when it announced legislation that would greatly increase taxes on their equity gains, only to beat [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] technopolicy is becoming politics-as-usual in France. Last year, the newly-elected government ran afoul of high-tech entrepreneurs when it announced legislation that would greatly increase taxes on their equity gains, only to beat [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nike free 4.0 v2</title>
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		<dc:creator>nike free 4.0 v2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its such as you learn my mind! You appear to understand a 
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of that, this is fantastic blog. A fantastic read.

I&#039;ll certainly be back.</description>
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lot approximately this, like you wrote the e book in it or something.<br />
I think that you simply can do with a few percent to force the message house a bit, however instead<br />
of that, this is fantastic blog. A fantastic read.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll certainly be back.</p>
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		<title>By: 3 værelses lejlighed svendborg</title>
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		<dc:creator>3 værelses lejlighed svendborg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 09:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there! I&#039;ve been following your weblog for a long time now and finally got the courage to go ahead and give you a shout out from Houston Texas! Just wanted to say keep up the fantastic work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there! I&#8217;ve been following your weblog for a long time now and finally got the courage to go ahead and give you a shout out from Houston Texas! Just wanted to say keep up the fantastic work!</p>
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		<title>By: The Internet Split &#124; Monday Note</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Internet Split &#124; Monday Note</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] debt (both private and public), business-hostile tax policies (see Jean-Louis&#8217; Monday Note on French Entrepreneurs Revolt), the upcoming fiscal cliff in the United States, the fragility of the Eurozone are all pointing in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] debt (both private and public), business-hostile tax policies (see Jean-Louis&#8217; Monday Note on French Entrepreneurs Revolt), the upcoming fiscal cliff in the United States, the fragility of the Eurozone are all pointing in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hugues</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugues</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2012 23:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Ah. This article is so &quot;Café du Commerce&quot;. I suppose you should try and spend some time out of your own circle to get some real information.

Let me first correct some facts:
- Hollande decided to announce taxing at 75% above 1M€ BEFORE running for elections, not because of the associated added revenue. It was a political move to ensure the far-left support and to counter Sarkozy&#039;s claim of supporting middle classes. It was a genial political move, and maybe the one he won the election with. You might say it&#039;s immoral, quite rightly, you might say that it&#039;s anti-economic, more difficult to prove since the base is so small and the exonerations will be so easy to set-up wth the right advice. But saying it was a dumb move to grap more money is just plain stupid. And by the way, this is also a mean to legitimate austerity measures to the other 99,999%
- Hollande did not say he hated &quot;rich people&quot;, but that he &quot;did not liked&quot; them. Which is different. And once, in a debate where he was cornered by a government minister arguing he would be putting pressure on middle class (you know, the same government who raised € 600Billions additional debt and  lowered all taxes on super riches). So it is not a manifesto, more a communication error
- the 60% tax on capital gains you&#039;re referring to will not be applied in most cases because of a vast choice of options for exceptions. By the way it was a proposal that was removed in 3 days, (because of media incomprehensions  of details and Pigeons demagogic distortion) so you can&#039;t say in the same move that Left is stubborn anti business and receptive to critics
- the pigeons move was built by amalgamating the law on capital gain (who touches a few hundred of people) and a minimal raise of social taxes for free-lance, who are more than a million, and hurled with the wolves to protect the interests of super rich people like you
- Of course not all entrepreneurs do agree with this tea-party movement, especially those who are not saving on social payments to get low-taxed capital gains
- The Avernes are right wing apparatchiks losing their jobs with the government and anonymously spitting their venom to the ones who have won
- Of course there is absolutely no reason why risky gains should be taxed lower than non-risky gains. It is the entrepreneur who should target higher ROI to compensate for risk. How amoral to ask for the State to take a part of this risk by lowering the tax. Typical french reaction of a french entrepreneur asking the state to help him...
- In the end, just remember that if the USA has get richer recently, the median wage has not increased in the last decades. Whereas in France it has. So all your claims that this is bad for the economy are ti be taken for what they are: just a pro domo plea in defense of your own interests</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Ah. This article is so &#8220;Café du Commerce&#8221;. I suppose you should try and spend some time out of your own circle to get some real information.</p>
<p>Let me first correct some facts:<br />
- Hollande decided to announce taxing at 75% above 1M€ BEFORE running for elections, not because of the associated added revenue. It was a political move to ensure the far-left support and to counter Sarkozy&#8217;s claim of supporting middle classes. It was a genial political move, and maybe the one he won the election with. You might say it&#8217;s immoral, quite rightly, you might say that it&#8217;s anti-economic, more difficult to prove since the base is so small and the exonerations will be so easy to set-up wth the right advice. But saying it was a dumb move to grap more money is just plain stupid. And by the way, this is also a mean to legitimate austerity measures to the other 99,999%<br />
- Hollande did not say he hated &#8220;rich people&#8221;, but that he &#8220;did not liked&#8221; them. Which is different. And once, in a debate where he was cornered by a government minister arguing he would be putting pressure on middle class (you know, the same government who raised € 600Billions additional debt and  lowered all taxes on super riches). So it is not a manifesto, more a communication error<br />
- the 60% tax on capital gains you&#8217;re referring to will not be applied in most cases because of a vast choice of options for exceptions. By the way it was a proposal that was removed in 3 days, (because of media incomprehensions  of details and Pigeons demagogic distortion) so you can&#8217;t say in the same move that Left is stubborn anti business and receptive to critics<br />
- the pigeons move was built by amalgamating the law on capital gain (who touches a few hundred of people) and a minimal raise of social taxes for free-lance, who are more than a million, and hurled with the wolves to protect the interests of super rich people like you<br />
- Of course not all entrepreneurs do agree with this tea-party movement, especially those who are not saving on social payments to get low-taxed capital gains<br />
- The Avernes are right wing apparatchiks losing their jobs with the government and anonymously spitting their venom to the ones who have won<br />
- Of course there is absolutely no reason why risky gains should be taxed lower than non-risky gains. It is the entrepreneur who should target higher ROI to compensate for risk. How amoral to ask for the State to take a part of this risk by lowering the tax. Typical french reaction of a french entrepreneur asking the state to help him&#8230;<br />
- In the end, just remember that if the USA has get richer recently, the median wage has not increased in the last decades. Whereas in France it has. So all your claims that this is bad for the economy are ti be taken for what they are: just a pro domo plea in defense of your own interests</p>
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		<title>By: igor</title>
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		<dc:creator>igor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jean-Louis I remember the old time when you were sharing with us in the Liberation columns, the way the silicon valley was reengineering the world.
Now you start talking like a old conservative. You are right about the difference between wages and personal money investment. Starting a business is always a bet, and the risk deserve a raisonable reward. But remember that capitalism and &quot;laisser-faire&quot; theses last ten years made the riches richer, poors poorer and throw us in this endless crisis.
More justice is requiered and that&#039;s the way France choose. I agree that some of the current decisions need more flexibility.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jean-Louis I remember the old time when you were sharing with us in the Liberation columns, the way the silicon valley was reengineering the world.<br />
Now you start talking like a old conservative. You are right about the difference between wages and personal money investment. Starting a business is always a bet, and the risk deserve a raisonable reward. But remember that capitalism and &#8220;laisser-faire&#8221; theses last ten years made the riches richer, poors poorer and throw us in this endless crisis.<br />
More justice is requiered and that&#8217;s the way France choose. I agree that some of the current decisions need more flexibility.</p>
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		<title>By: Dav</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2012/10/07/french-entrepreneurs-revolt/#comment-28534</link>
		<dc:creator>Dav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 12:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting reading. But your point of view, here, is slightly different from &quot;Pigeons&quot; point of view. For what I have read.

But I think Pigeons and you both miss the root cause of this situation.
My understanding is that French Gov is actually asking startups to pay taxes that large companies do not actually pay. In other words, startups are spoiled their expectations by large companies, which spend lots of money and energy to find out many artifices to avoid taxes.
You want to compare USA and France ? So just compare how Google or Apple do contribute to USA economy, in comparison of any CAC40 company, like Total (whose actual contribution is ZERO. They do not pay any taxes but one symbolic euro).

And btw, you are wrong when you state that Gov members do not have any knowledge or connection to business. Give it a closer look : most - if not all - of heading positions in CAC40 French companies are held by ex-members of Government. Or their very close friends. This is called oligarchy.

This is another difference between France and USA, if you dare the comparison. In USA, you can succeed though your hard work. In France, your success is intimately depending on your connections to oligarchy :)

In other words, a success story à la Facebook is unlikely to occur in France. The hardest position is France is to lead a small or middle enterprise. Not because of French laws and taxes. But because of politics impregnation in CAC40 closed community, private house.

Business angels are rare in France, as a direct consequence of this economic model.
. But because of t</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting reading. But your point of view, here, is slightly different from &#8220;Pigeons&#8221; point of view. For what I have read.</p>
<p>But I think Pigeons and you both miss the root cause of this situation.<br />
My understanding is that French Gov is actually asking startups to pay taxes that large companies do not actually pay. In other words, startups are spoiled their expectations by large companies, which spend lots of money and energy to find out many artifices to avoid taxes.<br />
You want to compare USA and France ? So just compare how Google or Apple do contribute to USA economy, in comparison of any CAC40 company, like Total (whose actual contribution is ZERO. They do not pay any taxes but one symbolic euro).</p>
<p>And btw, you are wrong when you state that Gov members do not have any knowledge or connection to business. Give it a closer look : most &#8211; if not all &#8211; of heading positions in CAC40 French companies are held by ex-members of Government. Or their very close friends. This is called oligarchy.</p>
<p>This is another difference between France and USA, if you dare the comparison. In USA, you can succeed though your hard work. In France, your success is intimately depending on your connections to oligarchy <img src='http://www.mondaynote.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>In other words, a success story à la Facebook is unlikely to occur in France. The hardest position is France is to lead a small or middle enterprise. Not because of French laws and taxes. But because of politics impregnation in CAC40 closed community, private house.</p>
<p>Business angels are rare in France, as a direct consequence of this economic model.<br />
. But because of t</p>
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		<title>By: mat from melbourne</title>
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		<dc:creator>mat from melbourne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 08:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the conceit of this article. How dare they tax people who earn more than 1million Euros more than others? How dare they take away the special financial treatment given to entrepreneurs - who are after all doing the planet a favour by just being alive?

Why shouldn&#039;t capital gains be treated as income?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the conceit of this article. How dare they tax people who earn more than 1million Euros more than others? How dare they take away the special financial treatment given to entrepreneurs &#8211; who are after all doing the planet a favour by just being alive?</p>
<p>Why shouldn&#8217;t capital gains be treated as income?</p>
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		<title>By: French Entrepreneurs Revolt &#124; Monday Note &#124; Itsaat</title>
		<link>http://www.mondaynote.com/2012/10/07/french-entrepreneurs-revolt/#comment-28522</link>
		<dc:creator>French Entrepreneurs Revolt &#124; Monday Note &#124; Itsaat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2012 01:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 22:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JLG,

I look forward every Monday to the business insights you provide, however I was disappointed in this one. 

There is much perhaps to bemoan for much of the state of the French approach to taxation. However, you&#039;re opening opening hook of complaining about treating income from any source as the same for taxation purposes - to the justification at the end that that taxation should reflect risk is unbecoming of a man of your analytical insights.

There are some reasons for taxing capital income differently - mainly that capital is flighty - though it&#039;s it&#039;s an empirical issue as to whether it matters at the personal income level. As you suggest, perhaps it is an issue in a collection of closely located and integrated  economies that are Europe. An approach that some governments have little choice over given the behavior of neighbours, but not one that necessarily reflects efficient approaches to raising revenue to pay for services provided by governments.

But the issue of risk?...No - investors are compensated on that front on the expected returns against the level of risk they choose.  And on that basis,  taxation on that income should not be treated any differently than income from other sources.  

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JLG,</p>
<p>I look forward every Monday to the business insights you provide, however I was disappointed in this one. </p>
<p>There is much perhaps to bemoan for much of the state of the French approach to taxation. However, you&#8217;re opening opening hook of complaining about treating income from any source as the same for taxation purposes &#8211; to the justification at the end that that taxation should reflect risk is unbecoming of a man of your analytical insights.</p>
<p>There are some reasons for taxing capital income differently &#8211; mainly that capital is flighty &#8211; though it&#8217;s it&#8217;s an empirical issue as to whether it matters at the personal income level. As you suggest, perhaps it is an issue in a collection of closely located and integrated  economies that are Europe. An approach that some governments have little choice over given the behavior of neighbours, but not one that necessarily reflects efficient approaches to raising revenue to pay for services provided by governments.</p>
<p>But the issue of risk?&#8230;No &#8211; investors are compensated on that front on the expected returns against the level of risk they choose.  And on that basis,  taxation on that income should not be treated any differently than income from other sources.  </p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: longtime reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>longtime reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 18:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JLG,
All very valid reflections, it seems that it is difficult to separate capital tax from entrepreneurship tax....
However, I would not, repeat NOT trust those high ranking functionaries on their in-depth knowledge of what it is like to build a company, not even having working contract that could be terminated.... just like their bosses. The divide is not there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JLG,<br />
All very valid reflections, it seems that it is difficult to separate capital tax from entrepreneurship tax&#8230;.<br />
However, I would not, repeat NOT trust those high ranking functionaries on their in-depth knowledge of what it is like to build a company, not even having working contract that could be terminated&#8230;. just like their bosses. The divide is not there.</p>
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		<title>By: iphoned</title>
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		<dc:creator>iphoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2012 00:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peiple that vote these types politicians and policies in deserve the outcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peiple that vote these types politicians and policies in deserve the outcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Footer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Footer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 21:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scary.  Even more scary is that California is heading in France&#039;s direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scary.  Even more scary is that California is heading in France&#8217;s direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 20:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>France is dangerously playing with the point of no return (just like the ice on the Arctic pole). I feel that I am witnessing the beginning of the slow demise of the bright European civilization as we were used to a long long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>France is dangerously playing with the point of no return (just like the ice on the Arctic pole). I feel that I am witnessing the beginning of the slow demise of the bright European civilization as we were used to a long long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Horace the Grump</title>
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		<dc:creator>Horace the Grump</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2012 19:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of the old joke...

Army captain rushes into the quarters of his commanding officer...  &quot;Sir! Sir!  The peasants are revolting!&quot;...  &quot;Don&#039;t be stupid boy, of course they are...&quot;

Anyhoo... in this part of the world we call what you describe as the Carviar Left as Chardonnay Socialists... and fortunately we don&#039;t have a scraping, grasping Government seeking to tax anything that moves...  maybe windows will be next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of the old joke&#8230;</p>
<p>Army captain rushes into the quarters of his commanding officer&#8230;  &#8220;Sir! Sir!  The peasants are revolting!&#8221;&#8230;  &#8220;Don&#8217;t be stupid boy, of course they are&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyhoo&#8230; in this part of the world we call what you describe as the Carviar Left as Chardonnay Socialists&#8230; and fortunately we don&#8217;t have a scraping, grasping Government seeking to tax anything that moves&#8230;  maybe windows will be next?</p>
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